I agree with the oline aspect. It pains me to think of how many quarterbacks flopped because of a bad oline or no weapons. People think they can just throw in a qb and it fixes all of the teams problems. The Vikings this year are a great example of that.
As big as clusterf*** JaMarcus was. I was a bit surprised by his 2nd year #s not being worse. He had Kwame freaking Harris blocking for him.
Ugh...between Harris and Russell...Yeesh.
The first option was to try to trade down or if no one was willing to trade down then take either Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas or Adrian Peterson. I am just glad that my favorite team won't be making these types of picks again with RM at the controls.
billick is an idiot anyway, since 10 years i look a lot of draftscouting sit , i can name to you more than 20 sites i look all week. i read everything i can find about college foot-ball , each year beginning december i made my own list of pick for the first 5 round and try to see what the raiders should pick. I can bet you 100$ than in november 2006 and december 2006 the name of jamarcus russell was rate in round 2 , his best spot was the second player take in round 2 , means 34 and i think it was at nfldrafcountdown or draftfutur. it's only after the game againt notre-dame than russel became a possible first round pick and more a possible first pick, i still have each report of 2007 draft. when al davis saw russell at his pro day he wanted him at any price just because he can throw the ball very far. i remember kiffin try to explain calvin johnson was the better player, i remember scott wright of nfl draftcountdown and mel kipper said the raiders make a hudge mistake to take russell over jonhson and petersen. now we know the big mistake it was. russel was just a big guy who can throw the ball very far, he had no good judgement , cannot read defense and more had no love for the foot-ball game. billick can say what he want but at that time a lot of scout had a red flag on russell.
2007- Russell drafted -played in 4 games....Harris not yet on team..Henderson drafted 3rd rd
2008-We draft Dmac ....I wanted one of the Longs or Clady
Q.Harris joined team started 11 games...Mario Henderson played majority of snaps from game 11 on...
Mario pass protected well...Misleading fans to think we should bank the future on him.(After 4 fukking games)
2009 After reasonable performance by mario in 08 it's 09 and a good O-line class in the draft, what does Al do? we spend our first two picks on a WR and Saftey.....I'm incredibly discouraged! Another year of Henderson and co.The 2009 season concludes and the whole world knows Henderson is a scrub...
2010- in a mediocre O-line class we manage to find a gem in the third rd (Veeldheer). Takes Hendersons job in fairly short order
2011- in another so-so O-line class we reach in 2 rd and so far we have another gem and apparent franchise Center(Wiz)
It's only the last 2 years we started getting good at drafting O-line again.......
As for Russell, sure the team failed him in delivering an O-line, but him quitting on the team is beyond excuse...
Now as usual I'm pulling for our first pick to be O-line....Guard this time...
"Great white hope" comes to mind, or in this case, "Great QB hope". I think I can speak for every Raider fan that we all wanted him to succeed. We were yearning for a savior so bad that it blinded our logic. Everything pointed to not taking a risk on him during the draft with the #1 pick, but sometimes logic doesn't prevail, because of gut feeling. Texas hold em comes to mind. There are times we gamble even though we know the odds aren't great. I'm having a hard time understanding the logic after the fact, that people are still justifying the pick. I just don't see how anyone can diagnose past his work ethics. Everyone has a CHANCE to be great with work ethics, but when it stops there, it's just impossible to diagnose past it. It was a mistake plain and simple, learn from it. What's the lesson? Without a rookie cap limit, taking a position where work ethic is most important, you don't gamble with the #1 pick. It's much easier to take a risk now, it won't set you back like it used to, but what's the recurring theme nowadays? Take a look around, the theme is "Character Counts". It always did, to some organizations at least, but more so now, as JR set a new precedent concerning work ethics. I can understand drafts where it might be the default choice, but that draft had a few safer options.
Nothing is certain, but you certainly can make an educated guess. Go ahead, make a search, and you will see the more knowledgeable fans made some great points on why not to take JR. Our own Raider fans were at best 50/50 on JR and the only justification I read were, QB is the most important position. Which begs the question, why gamble at the most important position that requires the best work ethic? The intention was good. Al's intentions are always meant well, but sometimes good intentions aren't enough. Al himself even admitted he made a mistake, that's all you need to know. I never got the "Messiah" love for JR back then, and I don't get the love for him now. As far as Luck and RG3 goes, I'll bet you they aren't questioning their work ethics and when you add in their talent, experience, those are no brainer picks.
And this thread has illuminated exactly zero new information.
Coming off of the Bed and Breakfast year and with Russell's throwing prowess, it was the perfect storm sucker's bet for Uncle Al to indulge in the thrill of his fetish and pick him. I don't think anyone, here or anywhere, foresaw the disaster that it would become.
Part of me will miss Uncle Al's boom-or-bust picks.
And mock drafts are irrelevant. Cam Newton and RG3 werent top top picks on mock drafts in November of their last year in college either.
Oh and Peter King's word > Over Scott Wright from NFL Draftcountdown.com.
And here is Mel Kiper saying JaMarcus Russell may be a top 5 QB in 3 years. And comparing him to John Elway. Revisionist are gonna revision.
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