Plain and simple it was coaching and players not showing up...
You can't really put the blame on Al Davis, he wasn't playing corner, rushing the passer playing qb,wr, or running back... You can't even blame him for the horrible play fumbles,picks, defensive shutdowns... All he did was try to get the best players on this team and the players didn't perform, neither did the coaches...
"The Media hated Davis because he kept his mouth shut when it counted and didn't bend over to their tactics. Most NFL owners hated Davis because he was a 'them', having worked his way up, and also because he had no problem hiring minorities when no one else would. You can only have so many people saying bad things about you before the sheep believe it...And now, the sheep don't even know why they hate the Raiders, it's just always been that way..." - Sir Pig
those 3 draft choices hurt us no doubt. i agree drafting o-line was a good idea at the time and gallery and grove seemed safe enough picks. i dont fault Al for trying to get a starting LT for the next decade the thinking was solid there. The jamarcus pick is another story. i hated the pick. a good portion of my posts on this site were attained campaigning for anyone but russell. way too many red flags. I wanted peterson. a lot on this site wanted him and quite a few wanted johnson. Russell actually said he wanted to play for whoever paid him the most money. man did that statement prove to be telling.
the day we drafted russell was one of the worst days of my life as a raider fan. i was sick to my stomach. some fool on this site who shall remain nameless was raving over and over "jamarcus is the truth, jamrcus is the truth, how could you think it would be anyone else?". i gave russell my support as a raider even put him in my sig and hoped i was wrong. never has being so completely right about something been so unsatisfying.
Can't kill Al for the draft picks! It was the constant
changing of coaches. I think it was hard for
The young guys to develop. They weren't bad
picks, we just failed to develope the players.
I remember that Tampa game with Jamarcus.
That was a come from behind win. He showed
promise in that game as well as Bush.
Next thing you know the coach was gone.
Jamarcus was never the same.
Al Davis Forever!!!
Just Win Baby!!!
Gannon goes from MVP to a ghost, Gallery/Groves didn't pan out, Russell was one of the best con-men of the decade, R.Moss/L.Jordan/J.Walker/D.Hall didn't work out, horrible coaching/way to many coaching changes, phantom penaltys, good draft picks seem to be injured all the time(RunDMC, Schillens, T.Geothel), rehireing a D-cordnator everyone already knew was porous, out of wack contracts, ect. Sometimes it's just not in the cards I sure had my hopes up.... Still do
I'm still not sure how I managed to become a Raider fan when I first started following them in 06. Definitely a season I never want to revisit.
Good post Sea and i definitely see the angle your coming from. I look at it a little differently though, i think Raider17 hit the nail on the head.
They complain about the draft picks .....
.... but were the draft picks bad picks or did the constant turnover and dysfunction cause the lack of development that ultimately leads to them being perceived as bad picks? This has been my stance for years, everyone pisses and moans about the draft picks but if you go back and look at the picks, almost every player was the top one or two rated players at their respective positions and almost all at a position of need for this team. To me, correct picks, bad development.
I think and have always thought that it all starts and ends there:
-Impatience cause high turnover
-High turnover caused poor development
-Poor development lead to losses
-Losses lead to more turnover
-Consistent turnover lead to a repetitive cycle that causes the perception to appear that its the draft picks
Like i said, you can blame the picks on a few but when you look and see that most of those players were taken "when" they were supposed to be taken then whats left? If you blow one fuse in your car your going to replace that fuse, if you replace the same fuse 15 times, shouldnt it dawn on you that maybe the fuse isnt the problem?
Im not sure about Callahan or Shell but if Al gives Norvel 3 years then we dont have this problem. Do Turner and the Raiders still underachieve, probably but we are then talking about 7, 8 or 9 wins per season instead of 4. Thats a big difference there wouldnt you say? It is, always has and will always be my opinion that the problem was never one pick, two picks, this coach, that coach, this scheme, that scheme or any other reason. The problem over the "Dark Ages" always was Al Davis and his impatience to win. As he got closer to the end, he got less patient knowing his days were coming. That impatience lead to the constant turnover and that constant turnover lead to 2003 to 2009. I think he recognized this in 2008 or 2009 and thats why we saw far more patience with Cable even though the guy did so many things that should have had him canned.
Those picks you speak of played huge roles in our decline but, do Gallery and Groves bust if they have consistent coaching?
"If thats the world you live in"
If only, Closed minds came with Closed mouths!
I'll get right to the point.
Last 25 years, 7 seasons over .500.
However, I think at the end AL was more concerned with blowing up the salary cap than he was with trying to beat it and win.
AL picked Russell to have an excuse to campaign for a rookie salary cap, which he ultimately got. It should be called the "Al Davis rookie salary cap" in his honor.
Why is it so hard to admit that AL had already been elected to the Hall of Fame and had his 3 Super Bowl trophies... and decided that as his last major accomplishment in the NFL he was going to get a rookie salary cap? It actually makes logical sense if ynderstand the thought process of AL.
Who cares, its over!
Hiring subpar coaches and changing them every year or two has a lot more to do with the team's stumble than Gallery and Grove.
after 2005 the $hit really hit the fan! kerry collins shouldnt have been let go IMO he was a top five qb in 2004. he was scapegoated, at the end of the 2004 season he was benched (unfairly IMO) for the AWFUL tuiasosopo. I remember he started against the jets and was sacked about five or six times and we had about 90 yards of offense. after that year the qb carrousel began : brooks, walter, frye, mccown, culpepper, russell, gradkowski, campbell.
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