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    Plain and simple it was coaching and players not showing up...
    You can't really put the blame on Al Davis, he wasn't playing corner, rushing the passer playing qb,wr, or running back... You can't even blame him for the horrible play fumbles,picks, defensive shutdowns... All he did was try to get the best players on this team and the players didn't perform, neither did the coaches...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoBruTal_ View Post
    That was great
    What was so great about it?? The point of the essay is to reinforce the idea that players selected as anchors can derail the best laid plans if they do not live up to expectations. Al made the right choices, but fate was not on his side. Our drought was not a by product of many poor decisions, but the result of a couple of bad ones. When you draft early in the first round, you have to be careful. It can be devestating to your franchise. Looking back, Al was very careful in my opinion. But not all things work out the way they should.
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    those 3 draft choices hurt us no doubt. i agree drafting o-line was a good idea at the time and gallery and grove seemed safe enough picks. i dont fault Al for trying to get a starting LT for the next decade the thinking was solid there. The jamarcus pick is another story. i hated the pick. a good portion of my posts on this site were attained campaigning for anyone but russell. way too many red flags. I wanted peterson. a lot on this site wanted him and quite a few wanted johnson. Russell actually said he wanted to play for whoever paid him the most money. man did that statement prove to be telling.

    the day we drafted russell was one of the worst days of my life as a raider fan. i was sick to my stomach. some fool on this site who shall remain nameless was raving over and over "jamarcus is the truth, jamrcus is the truth, how could you think it would be anyone else?". i gave russell my support as a raider even put him in my sig and hoped i was wrong. never has being so completely right about something been so unsatisfying.
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    Can't kill Al for the draft picks! It was the constant
    changing of coaches. I think it was hard for
    The young guys to develop. They weren't bad
    picks, we just failed to develope the players.
    I remember that Tampa game with Jamarcus.
    That was a come from behind win. He showed
    promise in that game as well as Bush.
    Next thing you know the coach was gone.
    Jamarcus was never the same.

    Al Davis Forever!!!
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    Gannon goes from MVP to a ghost, Gallery/Groves didn't pan out, Russell was one of the best con-men of the decade, R.Moss/L.Jordan/J.Walker/D.Hall didn't work out, horrible coaching/way to many coaching changes, phantom penaltys, good draft picks seem to be injured all the time(RunDMC, Schillens, T.Geothel), rehireing a D-cordnator everyone already knew was porous, out of wack contracts, ect. Sometimes it's just not in the cards I sure had my hopes up.... Still do
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSOTM View Post
    And who was going to throw him the ball?
    Aaron Rodgers, who we selected over Fabian Washington in 2005.
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    Possibly more concerning is the fact that he's a pro athlete wearing a Balance Bracelet. I'm not sure anyone stupid enough to fall for that has the brains to lead a professional team.

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    I'm still not sure how I managed to become a Raider fan when I first started following them in 06. Definitely a season I never want to revisit.

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    Good post Sea and i definitely see the angle your coming from. I look at it a little differently though, i think Raider17 hit the nail on the head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raider17 View Post
    Can't kill Al for the draft picks! It was the constant
    changing of coaches. I think it was hard for
    The young guys to develop. They weren't bad
    picks, we just failed to develope the players.
    I remember that Tampa game with Jamarcus.
    That was a come from behind win. He showed
    promise in that game as well as Bush.
    Next thing you know the coach was gone.
    Jamarcus was never the same.

    Al Davis Forever!!!
    Just Win Baby!!!
    You see, you see the same complaints over and over again but those things arent as black and white as most people make them out to be.

    They complain about the draft picks .....
    .... but were the draft picks bad picks or did the constant turnover and dysfunction cause the lack of development that ultimately leads to them being perceived as bad picks? This has been my stance for years, everyone pisses and moans about the draft picks but if you go back and look at the picks, almost every player was the top one or two rated players at their respective positions and almost all at a position of need for this team. To me, correct picks, bad development.

    I think and have always thought that it all starts and ends there:
    -Impatience cause high turnover
    -High turnover caused poor development
    -Poor development lead to losses
    -Losses lead to more turnover
    -Consistent turnover lead to a repetitive cycle that causes the perception to appear that its the draft picks

    Like i said, you can blame the picks on a few but when you look and see that most of those players were taken "when" they were supposed to be taken then whats left? If you blow one fuse in your car your going to replace that fuse, if you replace the same fuse 15 times, shouldnt it dawn on you that maybe the fuse isnt the problem?

    Im not sure about Callahan or Shell but if Al gives Norvel 3 years then we dont have this problem. Do Turner and the Raiders still underachieve, probably but we are then talking about 7, 8 or 9 wins per season instead of 4. Thats a big difference there wouldnt you say? It is, always has and will always be my opinion that the problem was never one pick, two picks, this coach, that coach, this scheme, that scheme or any other reason. The problem over the "Dark Ages" always was Al Davis and his impatience to win. As he got closer to the end, he got less patient knowing his days were coming. That impatience lead to the constant turnover and that constant turnover lead to 2003 to 2009. I think he recognized this in 2008 or 2009 and thats why we saw far more patience with Cable even though the guy did so many things that should have had him canned.

    Those picks you speak of played huge roles in our decline but, do Gallery and Groves bust if they have consistent coaching?
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    I'll get right to the point.

    Last 25 years, 7 seasons over .500.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sea Of Hands View Post
    Raider Dark Age, 2003-2009

    From 1963 - 2002, the Raiders went on an epic run. During that 40 year period the Raiders posted a winning percentage of .632, the highest in the NFL during that time frame. Throw in the legaendary players, games, coaches and five Super Bowl appearances, and the Raiders were considered an elite franchise in the world of professional sports. The Raiders were an organizational superpower single handily ran by the one and only Al Davis. Davis’ teams were so consistent during this run, that they became known as the Team of the Decades. To be sure, the Raiders knew how to win. In fact, the Raiders lost more than ten games in a single season only twice during that 40 year span. So then how in the world did the Raiders fall so far as to lose 10 or more games in seven consecutive seasons???

    Looking back, Al made three major mistakes in the draft that derailed the Raiders. The drafting of Robert Gallery and Jake Grove in 2004 began the Dark Age and the drafting of JaMarcus Russell in 2007 extended the period of tribulation. These draft picks carried a lot of clout and the assumption was that said players would fulfill their roles and preceed to greatness. As it was, these decisions were not considered mistakes at the time. In fact, the picks were considered astute and prudent by many an expert. The following chronicle attempts to illuminate the effect that the drafting of these individuals had on the organization and how the selections allowed the Raiders the confidence to build the team in other areas. The unfulfilled dreams of the above players, created a nightmare for the Raiders.

    2003 – The Raiders began the 2003 season with a Super Bowl hangover following their loss to Tampa Bay in SB 37. As constituted on paper, the Raiders were still a formidible team and the organizatinal plan was to remain the same. I guess Al figured the team had one more run in the tank and held them over with the confidence that they would keep their eyes on the prize. The 2003 season had it’s early ups and downs until a true blow hit the team – Rich Gannon tore the labrum in his throwing shoulder and was effectively out for the season. The Raiders faded and finished 4-12. Without Gannon, the Raiders were a mere shadow of themselves, which led to some consideration. Al realized that it was indeed time to begin planning for the future. Many of his key players were long in the tooth and could not be counted on moving forward.

    2004 – With the 2nd and 34th picks of the 2004 draft at his disposal, Al decided to use the picks on the cornerstones that would stabilize the Raider OL for the foreseeable future. He drafted Robert Gallery and Jake Grove. Galley and Grove were respectively considered the best left tackle and the best center being ushered in by the college ranks. It was clear that Al understood the importance of a great offensive line and took the opportunity to bolster his own unit. He was applauded and considered on the money with his picks. Prior to the season the Raiders hired Norv Turner as head coach, who was highly recommended by Jimmy Johnson. The 2004 season also saw the return of Gannon following surgery to his throwing shoulder. But he would last only 3 games and eventually retired after suffering a neck injury. Kerry Collins took over the QB duties for the remainder of the season and led the Raiders to a 5-11 season. The Raiders were obviously in transition and the roster would need to be bolstered in order to return the team to it’s winning ways.

    2005 – Gallery and Grove had faired pretty well during the 2004 season and hopes were high that they would ascend to pro bowl status during the 2005 season. They had their issues adjusting to the NFL game as rookies, but that was to be expected. Al figured that they were on track and confidently went about the business of bolstering the offensive weaponry. Al traded for Randy Moss and signed Lamont Jordan during the off season. Combined with Collins and Jerry Porter, the Raiders were loaded once again. With Gallery and Grove anchoring the OL, the Raiders vaunted vertical scheme would take flight and dominate. With a revamped defense, the Raiders appeared poised to return to the playoffs and beyond. So they thought. The 2005 campaign would end in another losing season with a record of 4-12. Norv Turner was fired and for the first time, questions about Gallery and Grove began to surface. The Raider offense did not live up to expectations and Kerry Collins was exposed. His inability to handle early pressure hampered him all season long and Gallery-Grove were fingered as possible busts.

    2006 – The Raiders dumped Kerry Collins and hired Art Shell. Al figured that maybe a blast from the past with some old school Raider methods would do the tirck. The Raiders acquired Arron Brooks to handle QB duties. Hope surged through Raider Nation once again. But 2006 would end in disaster as the team finished the campaign 2-14. The team looked dazed and confused all season long and it became clear that Gallery and Grove were indeed busts. The Raider OL was anemic all year long and the bulk of the blame went to Gallery and Grove, who were very high draft picks with great expectations attached. Art Shell got the axe and the Raiders stumbled into the off season wondering what the hell happened. An important point to add is that the defense was a solid unit, but the offensive woes were so great that the defense suffered as they were on the field for large portions of time during the season. It has been mentioned that the Raiders defense during the Dark Age was poorly constructed. I beg to differ when I say that this unit was very capable, but the offense put huge amounts of pressure on them.

    2007 – The Raiders rolled into the 2007 season with the number one pick in the NFL draft for the first time. Al hired Lane Kiffin as the head coach of the Raiders, hoping for another Jon Gruden. What is unfortunate is that a rift between Davis and Kiffin began almost immediately when the Raiders selected JaMarcus Russell. As it turned out, Kiffin was not sold on Russell and consequently disagreed with Al’s choice. According to Al, Kiffin needed to “get ovah it”, which never happened and evidently hampered the relationship between the coach and the owner/GM. To his credit, Al suggested that Kiffin stop crying and go about the business of coaching the team, which is what he was hired to do. Al had given Kiffin plenty of lattitude when it came to decisions as evidenced by the trade that sent Randy Moss packing to New England. So he shouldn’t have been so butt hurt when he didn’t get his way on the number one pick. 2007 was another disappointing season as the Raiders finished 4-12. The organization seemed satisfied with Kiffin’s performance and sided with the idea that the team was not ready to win talent wise.

    2008 – The fued between Al Davis and Lane Kiffin boiled over into the 2008 season which created some significant communication problems. These communication issues did not stop the team from acquiring several high profile free agents, including Javon Walker and Deangelo Hall. During the draft the team selected Darren McFadden to help Russell in the backfield. The Raiders went all out to acquire some talent for Kiffin to work with, which drew ridicule from many NFL “experts”. Kiffin himself applauded the moves and the Raiders once again were on the verge, having loaded up. 2008 was also the first full season for one JaMarcus Russell due to his hold out in 2007, which effectively knocked his rookie season out. During the season, Russell showed signs of true ability, but was inconsistent. Before the season unraveled, Kiffin was fired and Tom Cable took over in the interim role. The Raiders finished 4-12 and Russell’s promise came into question, but the Raiders held fast that he would develop into something special. Little did they know that Russell was on his way out of the league due to his inability to grasp the role of being an NFL quarterback. The man was in over his head and didn’t even know it.

    2009 and beyond – Tom Cable assumed the head coaching duties in 2009. Richard Seymour was acquired via trade and the Raiders drafted Darrius Heyward-Bey. The Raiders plugged along and finished 5-11, setting a record for most consecutive seasons with 10 or more losses with seven in a row. Cable was credited in keeping the team together when many felt that the disappointing season might cause the team to throw in the towel. JaMarcus Russell’s performance faded as the season went on and it started to become painfully evident that Russell did not have the goods to succeed. Russell would not make it to 2010. The Raiders acquired Jason Campbell from Washington and asked Russell to restructure his deal, which he refused. Russell was released and is considered by many to be the greatest bust in NFL history. The Raiders improved significantly in 2010. With Cable as head coach, Jason Campbell at QB, and newly installed offensive coodinator Hue Jackson calling the plays, the Raiders went on to win 8 games. In 2011, they duplicated the feat with another .500 season. It appears that the Raiders have come out of their funk over the past two years and can at least say they are an average NFL team. Good for them.

    My grand point with the above rant is the inpact that a bad decision can have on a sports team. I believe that Al Davis did the right thing when he drafted Gallery and Grove. His instinct was to build his OL for the future and it was a perfect draft to do just that. He had the picks and used them wisely. The fact that Gallery and Grove both flopped is a tragedy for Raider fans to this day. Gallery and Grove were “sure things” and Al went about the business of build up the remaining parts of his team. When the OL began to show that the picks were not translating into the expected products, it was too late as the Raiders had built an offense around the prospects and the experiment had already began to fail.

    The Raiders tried to pull out of the disaster in 2007 by selecting Russell with the first pick in the draft. With the offense built around Gallery and Grove completely dismantled, Al figured that a good start would be the best QB in the draft, which was the consensus opinion. Again Al made the wrong choice. The Russell debacle cost the Raiders three more seasons in the cellar of the NFL. Many have criticized Davis for his choices during the Dark Age of 2003-2009. I offer you the idea that when Al made the “right” choices, it backfired and caused more trouble than all of the “wrong” choices he had supposedly made over the years. Al got burned. I guess he had it coming considering the great number of times that Al burned his collegues over the years on his way to the top of the NFL. Gallery, Grove, and Russell brought the Raiders to their knees. Glad there all gone.
    I like your version of things. I think John Hererra would back you up too.

    However, I think at the end AL was more concerned with blowing up the salary cap than he was with trying to beat it and win.

    AL picked Russell to have an excuse to campaign for a rookie salary cap, which he ultimately got. It should be called the "Al Davis rookie salary cap" in his honor.

    Why is it so hard to admit that AL had already been elected to the Hall of Fame and had his 3 Super Bowl trophies... and decided that as his last major accomplishment in the NFL he was going to get a rookie salary cap? It actually makes logical sense if ynderstand the thought process of AL.

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    Who cares, its over!

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    Hiring subpar coaches and changing them every year or two has a lot more to do with the team's stumble than Gallery and Grove.
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    after 2005 the $hit really hit the fan! kerry collins shouldnt have been let go IMO he was a top five qb in 2004. he was scapegoated, at the end of the 2004 season he was benched (unfairly IMO) for the AWFUL tuiasosopo. I remember he started against the jets and was sacked about five or six times and we had about 90 yards of offense. after that year the qb carrousel began : brooks, walter, frye, mccown, culpepper, russell, gradkowski, campbell.
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    Wow, very good write up.

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