A lot of You Don't Get it you DONT Want to Draft Clausen or Mccoy and Here is Why

[speedkills]

I keep seeing Clausen this and that or Mccoy

We don't want to draft a QB and here is why. Raiders can't develop quarterbacks.

When the last good qb you drafted was when the Beatles were the biggest band in the world (EG Stabler) you know you have problems. But, anyon we drafted since Wilson, Marinovich, Walter, Russell, Hobert, Tui, have been total bums. Some of thi had to do with Davis reaching, but mostly because of the unstable coaching situation we can not develop a QB. Our successes during that time Plunkett, VInce Evans (as a backup), Hos, George for at least 1997, Gannon, Even Kerry COllins had statistically two good years in 2004-2005 and Grad last year were ALL Veteran free agents. 40 years of this is a TREND!!

I think Clausen is going to be a good NFL QB, but NOT for us. We have no patience to develop a QB. We are better off going OT and DT rounds 2 and 3 and then trading for Campbell or goign with Gradkowski. Don't think that this time is different when drafting a QB we won't be able to develop one of these guys. Go for the trenches and hope that Campbell or Grad pan out at QB.

[silverNblack520]

so you want us to take chances with career back ups and terrible offensive coaches

[tonjappr]

we have one of the best qb coaches...i think clausen will be just fine with us.

[silverNblack520]

we have one of the best qb coaches...i think clausen will be just fine with us.

im just saying our scheme isnt the greatest imo career back ups wont succeed in it we need a freaking franchise qb

[speedkills]

we have one of the best qb coaches...i think clausen will be just fine with us.

UGHQ!!! See you just dont get it, there is always an excuse, or hope that it will pan out but it never does. It is like a larry king marriage destined to fail.

lsat year we had fuking paul hackett who is an amazing QB coach (go see how gannon and joe montana rave about this guy) and it didn't help fat ass.

Drafting a qb will just be a waste of time and money. 40 years people is a trend.

[101proofRdrFan]

You cant live in the past success with Stabler or all the tweeners that sucked. This is now! If you can grab a QB expected to go in the top ten in the 2nd its worth the risk. If we were to of taken Russell in the 2nd nobody would have lost a tear over it. Clausen has alot of upside for a 2nd round pick. Save all the negativity for midseason if need be cause a bad outlook now makes for a sh*ty year lol. We have all the patience in the world to develop a QB. Look how we cattered to the last one.

[silverNblack520]

You cant live in the past success with Stabler or all the tweeners that sucked. This is now! If you can grab a QB expected to go in the top ten in the 2nd its worth the risk. If we were to of taken Russell in the 2nd nobody would have lost a tear over it. Clausen has alot of upside for a 2nd round pick. Save all the negativity for midseason if need be cause a bad outlook now makes for a sh*ty year lol. We have all the patience in the world to develop a QB. Look how we cattered to the last one.

agreed its 2010 and you need a franchise qb to get to the playoffs or have an insanely good d like the steelers jets ravens have which we obviously dont russell hasnt worked out but so what hes not clausen this is a business you take risk if clausen doesnt work we can start over again and plus we dont have a 1st round pick next year the good qbs will probably be gone

[S&Bmexico]

I keep seeing Clausen this and that or Mccoy

We don't want to draft a QB and here is why. Raiders can't develop quarterbacks.

When the last good qb you drafted was when the Beatles were the biggest band in the world (EG Stabler) you know you have problems. But, anyon we drafted since Wilson, Marinovich, Walter, Russell, Hobert, Tui, have been total bums. Some of thi had to do with Davis reaching, but mostly because of the unstable coaching situation we can not develop a QB. Our successes during that time Plunkett, VInce Evans (as a backup), Hos, George for at least 1997, Gannon, Even Kerry COllins had statistically two good years in 2004-2005 and Grad last year were ALL Veteran free agents. 40 years of this is a TREND!!

I think Clausen is going to be a good NFL QB, but NOT for us. We have no patience to develop a QB. We are better off going OT and DT rounds 2 and 3 and then trading for Campbell or goign with Gradkowski. Don't think that this time is different when drafting a QB we won't be able to develop one of these guys. Go for the trenches and hope that Campbell or Grad pan out at QB.

Sorry bro but I belive that this is totally unfair, first u need the talent to development and then u need to want it, and just because we have had sucess with vets QBs thats no reason to say that we cant do it, some of the QBs u mention that we drafted in the past dont have the talent or the skills to be NFL QBs, have a great arm dont mean that u can be a good QB, like Walter, and the others that it suppose to be very talented like Marinovich or Jbust just dont care about football only care about money Marinovich was a great college QB when he was no high and have the talent to be a NFL QB but he was a jukey, and Jbust have the same problem he had maybe the best team of the decade in his last year in LSU but when they lost a game and also lost the chance to fight for the championship was Russell's fault and he dont even cares about that, and then when he play against one of the worst D in the country (ND) in the sugar bowl and expose them just with his big arm I say that the 99% of this poor throws will be incomplete or interceptions in the NFL everybody say that I was a hatter but no this guy thinks that he can be the best just because have a big arm but he cant learn the most simple playbook in the league and dont want to be better that no the Raiders fault or the Al's fault thats the Jbust fault only the only fault Al and the Raiders have is to belive in this asshole and draft him because think that they can develovment but no matter if u have the best skills in the game if u dont want to sucess then no one can help u and this happend to Jbust and Marinovich

[Live.B.A.Raida]

LMAO, people still do not want to except the fact that Al is sticking with Jamarcus for now. Yes we all have come to a unanimous consensus that he has been nothing but a disappointment thus far, but for you all to keep putting all your hopes in to something that is not going to come true is becoming difficult to endure post after post! The writing has been on the wall all this time, but yet you folks are experiencing cognitive dissonance...

McNabb?... nope
Campbell?... nah
Roethlisberger?... no
Calusen?... not likely

[RAIDERMIKE47]

I keep seeing Clausen this and that or Mccoy

We don't want to draft a QB and here is why. Raiders can't develop quarterbacks.

When the last good qb you drafted was when the Beatles were the biggest band in the world (EG Stabler) you know you have problems. But, anyon we drafted since Wilson, Marinovich, Walter, Russell, Hobert, Tui, have been total bums. Some of thi had to do with Davis reaching, but mostly because of the unstable coaching situation we can not develop a QB. Our successes during that time Plunkett, VInce Evans (as a backup), Hos, George for at least 1997, Gannon, Even Kerry COllins had statistically two good years in 2004-2005 and Grad last year were ALL Veteran free agents. 40 years of this is a TREND!!

I think Clausen is going to be a good NFL QB, but NOT for us. We have no patience to develop a QB. We are better off going OT and DT rounds 2 and 3 and then trading for Campbell or goign with Gradkowski. Don't think that this time is different when drafting a QB we won't be able to develop one of these guys. Go for the trenches and hope that Campbell or Grad pan out at QB.

Really? Hobert and Walter were third round picks and Tui should have been a fifth round pick. We aren't the only team that can't develop third round quarterbacks.

Here is the list of 3rd round quarterbacks that worked out in the past 20 years:

Matt Schaub

That's it! You can look it up if you don't believe me.

Marinovich and Russell have serious personal issues. That is the reason for their failures.

[BoJack247]

I keep seeing Clausen this and that or Mccoy

We don't want to draft a QB and here is why. Raiders can't develop quarterbacks.

When the last good qb you drafted was when the Beatles were the biggest band in the world (EG Stabler) you know you have problems. But, anyon we drafted since Wilson, Marinovich, Walter, Russell, Hobert, Tui, have been total bums. Some of thi had to do with Davis reaching, but mostly because of the unstable coaching situation we can not develop a QB. Our successes during that time Plunkett, VInce Evans (as a backup), Hos, George for at least 1997, Gannon, Even Kerry COllins had statistically two good years in 2004-2005 and Grad last year were ALL Veteran free agents. 40 years of this is a TREND!!

I think Clausen is going to be a good NFL QB, but NOT for us. We have no patience to develop a QB. We are better off going OT and DT rounds 2 and 3 and then trading for Campbell or goign with Gradkowski. Don't think that this time is different when drafting a QB we won't be able to develop one of these guys. Go for the trenches and hope that Campbell or Grad pan out at QB.

i agree with you speedkills.

if Clausen or McCoy is available at #39, the Raiders need to get on the phone and trade out of the pick and get an additional pick in the process...basically use the situation to their advantage.

there are way too many quality players at positions of need to take a QB that will take a few years to groom. i don't think either Clausen or McCoy have what it takes to be the saviors of this franchise. i don't think Campbell has what it takes either. nice player, but isn't strong enough of a personality to be a good leader on a bad football team.

OT Bruce Campbell, OG/RT John Jerry, OG/OT Vlad Ducasse, NT Cam Thomas, NT Linval Joseph, NT Terrance Cody would be better picks when the Raiders select.

word is the Raiders like QB Mike Kafka from Northwestern who if people haven't seen play, has a style reminiscent of Rich Gannon. he or Joe Flacco clone John Skelton would be good pickups later on in the draft.

my two cents.

[BoJack247]

LMAO, people still do not want to except the fact that Al is sticking with Jamarcus for now. Yes we all have come to a unanimous consensus that he has been nothing but a disappointment thus far, but for you all to keep putting all your hopes in to something that is not going to come true is becoming difficult to endure post after post! The writing has been on the wall all this time, but yet you folks are experiencing cognitive dissonance...

McNabb?... nope
Campbell?... nah
Roethlisberger?... no
Calusen?... not likely

word.

all signs point to Al giving Jamarcus the upcoming season to prove his worth one last time. i personally think he's going to fail, but that's the whole reason why Bruce Gradkowski is on the roster....in case, and when Jamarcus falls on his face.

next year is the year for QBs anyway....oh wait, we don't have a first round pick.

[Gawdzilla]

I disagree, for two reasons:

- We have a good QB coach now
- Clausen is not raw and is not a one-trick pony

It isn't so much that we can't develop QBs, but that we have a bad habit of doing the same thing with them that we do with WR's and such: just draft the dude with the biggest measureables (strongest arm, in this case), and pay no attention to whether he actually knows what the hell he is doing.

Clausen is not one of those players. He has a decent arm, but the best part about him is that he is a smart, VERY accurate passer who fluently ran a pro-style offense, and who still performed well even with a very poor line. I think he could thrive here. I'm not saying that we HAVE to take him -- I feel fine letting Grads man the helm while we build up other areas -- but I do think that he will be a very good QB if we do take him.

That said, I doubt that Clausen will be there for our 2nd pick anyway, I don't really care for any of the other QBs available, and it looks as if Cable is not looking to draft the QB position in any case . He was clearly aiming for the OL in the 1st round (he said specifically that he had Okung as his #1 pick), and so I believe that he will address the OT position in the 2nd. I suppose it is possible that he doesn't like the remaining OT's as 2nd-round picks and will get one in the 3rd instead, but somehow I don't think so.

[RaiderMac]

We still have the same o-line/d-line from last year and anyone who's calling for a qb, well lets just say that the game is won in the trenches....


LT: Henderson, LG: Gallery, C:Satele, RG: Carlisle, RT: Barnes

Backups:

C: Morris, RG: Rodd, RT: Pears/Walker


LDE: Seymour, LDT: Kelly, RDT: Bryant, RDE: Shaughnessy

Backups:

LDE: Richardson, LDT: Cooper, RDT: Joseph, RDE: Gunheim



Oh yea, we should defintely go for a qb. Give me a break, Al Davis is sticking with what he's got with Gradkowski, Russell, Frye & Boller. It's pointless in trying to convince anyone who's wanting Clausen or McCoy, neither fit what we're currently running as an offense. McCoy is a perfect fit for the west coast offense with the short passes and the accuracy he has. As for Clausen, the guy comes off as a child with a pouting problem while throwing players under the bus, no thanks.....


OL/D-line need to be upgraded, plain & simple. We don't have solid starters and we don't have depth....

[Raidermofojeff]

Raiders + Clausen = Bust

Raiders + Offensive line = Hope