[Raidermofojeff]

I'm an Offense first guy........Just to be clear on this...........
but philosophical differences aside, I have another legitimate reason I believe the O-line should take priority over the D front 7........

Reasons
#1 We will never have a shut down defense with Al running his individual matchup type system......and Al's gonna hold onto his D philosophies to the death.

#2 Al will give more latitude to the offense to allow a more modern system to take place.......This gives us a glimmer of hope that a well executed ball control system could keep the D off the field.....Al of course has a hand in this and favors a quick score deep attack, which will end in high scoring shootouts.
That said, in the past weve seen different offense's.....The hope is to get away from the low time of possesion deep attack, and get into ball control and high time of possesion game.......

I don't see the Raiders ever winning as a D first team due to Al's hand in defense.....I wish to Address The DT spots in future drafts......but I don't think we can aquire enough talent to have a shut down D using Al's system. At best we could reach top 15.......The hopes lie in Offense IMO.

[jtagg7754]

Originally Posted by Raidermofojeff

I'm an Offense first guy........Just to be clear on this...........
but philosophical differences aside, I have another legitimate reason I believe the O-line should take priority over the D front 7........

Reasons
#1 We will never have a shut down defense with Al running his individual matchup type system......and Al's gonna hold onto his D philosophies to the death.

#2 Al will give more latitude to the offense to allow a more modern system to take place.......This gives us a glimmer of hope that a well executed ball control system could keep the D off the field.....Al of course has a hand in this and favors a quick score deep attack, which will end in high scoring shootouts.
That said, in the past weve seen different offense's.....The hope is to get away from the low time of possesion deep attack, and get into ball control and high time of possesion game.......

I don't see the Raiders ever winning as a D first team due to Al's hand in defense.....I wish to Address The DT spots in future drafts......but I don't think we can aquire enough talent to have a shut down D using Al's system. At best we could reach top 15.......The hopes lie in Offense IMO.

I'll completely disagree. Our offense has shown they are capable of moving the ball especially w/ Grad out there. Sure, it's not dynamic and feared, but it's not that bad especially since Russell has been yanked. That said, we cannot win too many games w/o winning the ToP and being 30th against the run??? Yeaaaaahh.

[Raidermofojeff]

Originally Posted by jtagg7754

I'll completely disagree. Our offense has shown they are capable of moving the ball especially w/ Grad out there. Sure, it's not dynamic and feared, but it's not that bad especially since Russell has been yanked. That said, we cannot win too many games w/o winning the ToP and being 30th against the run??? Yeaaaaahh.

I agree the D has to improve.....but I think you missed my point..
The point is that with Als intervention, we have a better chance of building a great offense than a great D.....


Offensive time of posession has lots of room for improvement......and a quick scoring philosophy is just not smart football........The sad thing is that with all the defensive talent in the world I doubt we'd get into the top ten with our system.....

[jtagg7754]

Originally Posted by Raidermofojeff

I agree the D has to improve.....but I think you missed my point..
The point is that with Als intervention, we have a better chance of building a great offense than a great D.....


Offensive time of posession has lots of room for improvement......and a quick scoring philosophy is just not smart football........The sad thing is that with all the defensive talent in the world I doubt we'd get into the top ten with our system.....

No, I didn't miss it but you're saying we need to change our offensive philosophy and not get better people on the line. Ever think that maybe he tries to implement that "quick strike" offense b/c the other team just took the lead and took mad time off the clock running it down our throats??

[JUSTautumnWINd]

Our very first pick ought to be defense. There are more top defensive prospects than OL prospects in the top ten, and I don't see us taking a QB or skill position.

I think it's between McClain, Berry, McCoy, and Morgan.


If Okung is still available, i'd take him, but I think he'll be gone. No one else strikes me as an obvious upgrade over Henderson -- remember Oher and Monroe have surrendered about as many sacks this season as Henderson and Henderson had Russell to contend with.

We should then draft OL with at least two of our next three selections. We have four first day picks. We COULD really bolster our offensive line if we chose to do so.

[HitStick]

Originally Posted by Raidermofojeff

I'm an Offense first guy........Just to be clear on this...........
but philosophical differences aside, I have another legitimate reason I believe the O-line should take priority over the D front 7........

Reasons
#1 We will never have a shut down defense with Al running his individual matchup type system......and Al's gonna hold onto his D philosophies to the death.

#2 Al will give more latitude to the offense to allow a more modern system to take place.......This gives us a glimmer of hope that a well executed ball control system could keep the D off the field.....Al of course has a hand in this and favors a quick score deep attack, which will end in high scoring shootouts.
That said, in the past weve seen different offense's.....The hope is to get away from the low time of possesion deep attack, and get into ball control and high time of possesion game.......

I don't see the Raiders ever winning as a D first team due to Al's hand in defense.....I wish to Address The DT spots in future drafts......but I don't think we can aquire enough talent to have a shut down D using Al's system. At best we could reach top 15.......The hopes lie in Offense IMO.

Not trying to be an ahole here, but we already know this. This post is as obvious as writing Al Davis is the owner.

[Raidermofojeff]

Originally Posted by jtagg7754

No, I didn't miss it but you're saying we need to change our offensive philosophy and not get better people on the line. Ever think that maybe he tries to implement that "quick strike" offense b/c the other team just took the lead and took mad time off the clock running it down our throats??

I think your still missing the point.......We'll never build a great D with Al's system! No matter what the talent! I do however advocate improving our DTs.

On the other hand We could potentially build a great Offense as happened in the Gruden years.

Being stuck in a situation of playing catch up call can be an indictment of an offense as well as a defense.........It's well known that Al favors a quick sciring deep game........but he's more flexible on O than D

Originally Posted by JUSTautumnWINd

Our very first pick ought to be defense. There are more top defensive prospects than OL prospects in the top ten, and I don't see us taking a QB or skill position.

I think it's between McClain, Berry, McCoy, and Morgan.


If Okung is still available, i'd take him, but I think he'll be gone. No one else strikes me as an obvious upgrade over Henderson -- remember Oher and Monroe have surrendered about as many sacks this season as Henderson and Henderson had Russell to contend with.

We should then draft OL with at least two of our next three selections. We have four first day picks. We COULD really bolster our offensive line if we chose to do so.

If we can get McCoy, I's like the pick......Okung would be a dream......but I'd be real happy with Campbell or Barksdale.......I'm also entirely comforable plugging in a top O-line prospect on the right side.......I'm real interested in Stefan Wisnewski as a Center for us......2nd rd.......Sure would be nice to make a drastic improvement somewhere on the O-line. Centers usually take a couple years to develop, but I'd bite the bullet.

No disagreement on taking trench guys D or O.......

[cheapshotartist]

DEFENSE!!!! Our front seven is a joke, take away Seymour and we have a bunch of stiffs. We need to up grade our defensive tackels, defensive ends and LB's. What we have is not getting it done year in, year out. JMHO.

[jtagg7754]

Originally Posted by Raidermofojeff

I think your still missing the point.......We'll never build a great D with Al's system! No matter what the talent! I do however advocate improving our DTs.

On the other hand We could potentially build a great Offense as happened in the Gruden years.

Being stuck in a situation of playing catch up call can be an indictment of an offense as well as a defense.........

I think Marshall has actually made this defense look pretty respectable this year. All you have to do is look at this year. Why did we win all the games we have this year? Offense or defense? Sure the Steelers game had a late offensive surge, but for 3 quarters, we shut their offense down. An offense that had been playing well.

Who cares if you have a great offense? They're never gonna see the field if people continue to run for ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR YARDS a game. Sorry man, the offense will never see the field no matter how dynamic they are. They could be the Pats from two years ago, won't mean a damn thing when they'll never see the field.

[Raidermofojeff]

Originally Posted by jtagg7754

I think Marshall has actually made this defense look pretty respectable this year. All you have to do is look at this year. Why did we win all the games we have this year? Offense or defense? Sure the Steelers game had a late offensive surge, but for 3 quarters, we shut their offense down. An offense that had been playing well.

Who cares if you have a great offense? They're never gonna see the field if people continue to run for ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY FOUR YARDS a game. Sorry man, the offense will never see the field no matter how dynamic they are. They could be the Pats from two years ago, won't mean a damn thing when they'll never see the field.

Maybe we can get 154 down to 110 or so........but I just don't see a shutdown D coming out of Al's system........Your point is taken........and a good one.

As of now we are ranked 31 in total Offense and 28 in total Defense.
NFL Stats: Team So Defense has improved more than Offense.
Improved Offense will improve the D numbers........The offense has a long way to go.....

Originally Posted by HitStick

Not trying to be an ahole here, but we already know this. This post is as obvious as writing Al Davis is the owner.

We know this, but I'm not sure everybody does........

[als_shadow]

Originally Posted by Raidermofojeff

Maybe we can get 154 down to 110 or so........but I just don't see a shutdown D coming out of Al's system........Your point is taken........and a good one.



We know this, but I'm not sure everybody does........

My understanding is that the definition of a shutdown defense is one that consistantly holds it's opponents to 17 points or less. I think we can have a defense like that with Al's system.

[Raidermofojeff]

Originally Posted by als_shadow

My understanding is that the definition of a shutdown defense is one that consistantly holds it's opponents to 17 points or less. I think we can have a defense like that with Al's system.

17 points or less --thats pretty shutdown
Bend but don't break........I'd love to see that happen, but I doubt it ever will......With Als system

[kidkotch]

I used to be D first, but seeing as the OP is right about not being able to do anything defensively much different until Al is gone, plus the fact that the rules are constantly heading in favor of the offense, I want a nasty offensive line that can control the game. A line that can dominate at the point of attack so we can stuff the run down their throats to control time, and pass block when it is needed to get the ball down field. Just saying that feels good. I want to see it happen now.

2 exceptions, DT and MLB need to be addressed, pronto.

Damn there are a lot of issues to fix.

[als_shadow]

Originally Posted by Raidermofojeff

17 points or less --thats pretty shutdown
Bend but don't break........I'd love to see that happen, but I doubt it ever will......With Als system

Just for the sake of discussion - if you control for all the bonehead plays we made on offense, defense and special teams that lead to easy points for our opponents, our defense isn't that far away - obviously yards per rush given up is too high though.

[Raidermofojeff]

Originally Posted by kidkotch

I used to be D first, but seeing as the OP is right about not being able to do anything defensively much different until Al is gone, plus the fact that the rules are constantly heading in favor of the offense, I want a nasty offensive line that can control the game. A line that can dominate at the point of attack so we can stuff the run down their throats to control time, and pass block when it is needed to get the ball down field. Just saying that feels good. I want to see it happen now.

2 exceptions, DT and MLB need to be addressed, pronto.

Damn there are a lot of issues to fix.

Finally someone on board with me........
Yep those D spots are bad......Were #30 against the run..This must be improved.......but with the system......It probably only can improve so much.
Great point about the rule changes always favoring offense.

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