[Silv3randblack]

Originally Posted by Bram Raider

A couple of reasons automatically spring to mind:
(1) He's really hard on his players and Davis is a players owner.
(2) Martz would expect complete control to install his system how he wanted and play the players he wanted to play. In other words, allow Davis no say in the matter. Now, we can argue that Gruden also didn't allow Davis much interference, but that was mostly by convincing Al he was wrong (reputedly putting together film to prove his point). Martz meanwhile would just tell Davis that he (Martz) was right and Davis was wrong. There is no way the two could co-exist.


Then add in Martz health issues and issues with the 49ers and you get a complete no go area.

I never knew that he's hard on his players, he doesn't look like that kinda guy to me ;p

But I'm now enlightened by ur number 2.

I really think that if given a full control, Martz could satisfy both Mr.Davis and us Raiderfans.

His offense obviously potraits significance of team speed and vertical passing game.

He also used Marshall Faulk as a multi-purpose threat efficiently and innovatively...and I once fantasized that McFadden could, at his best, be like him.

Martz is certainly my dream coach (esp OC).

Could you clarify points on his health issue and conflicts with the niners?

Originally Posted by regret

Well that and when asked if any good coaches would go to Oakland, Martz said "No."

Okay, that shuts his door without any doubts.

[nsraiderfan]

It doesn't matter who the coach is, as long as Al is drafting his athletes, we will not win games. No decent head coach will work here, plain and simple.

[Gen_Man]

Originally Posted by Bram Raider

What this team needs is an enema...




Seriously, my ideal coaching staff would have Jim Harbaugh as Head Coach, with Trestman as OC and Paul Hackett as QB coach. Play a WCO style, similar to that of the 1999 to 2001 period, using our 3 RBs in different ways. Bush the bruiser, ala Wheatley. McFadden the slasher, ala Kaufman. Fargas the backup guy, doing some of both Crockett and Jordan's stuff.

A WCO is a terrible idea. Harbaugh does not even run a west coast offense.

What this team needs is consistency at the coaching staff for more than two years. The only consistency we have had is on the D side of things and a lot of our guys have developed.

THE OFFENSE needs consistency first and foremost.

**** the west coast offense. You want to run a dink and dunk offense? Be my guess. Teams who run a 3-4 with big ass mothe****ing linebackers would swallow that system. The league figured out the west coast which is why you see more teams adapting the spread, the coryell.. The last two teams that run a Super Bowl ran a Stretch offense by the way.

[Silv3randblack]

Originally Posted by Gen_Man

A WCO is a terrible idea. Harbaugh does not even run a west coast offense.

What this team needs is consistency at the coaching staff for more than two years. The only consistency we have had is on the D side of things and a lot of our guys have developed.

THE OFFENSE needs consistency first and foremost.

**** the west coast offense. You want to run a dink and dunk offense? Be my guess. Teams who run a 3-4 with big ass mothe****ing linebackers would swallow that system. The league figured out the west coast which is why you see more teams adapting the spread, the coryell.. The last two teams that run a Super Bowl ran a Stretch offense by the way.

I think most of ppl who want us to run WCO still have got imprinted by how successful we were during Gruden's era.

But I totally agree with you that nowadays the offense that's more of a spread-like or Coryell-like have had more success lately, if given good coaches who really know the system, and players who execute it properly.

Some may argue that we had run that system before and had not been successful. But the thing is, that's not really Coryell's offense.

Raiders offense were just power running and a bomb, yeah just simply a bomb...not stretching the field in so many ways like Coryell does.

That's why I want to see Martz or whoever specialize in such system to come in. (But yeah I know it's impossible as long as Mr.Davis does not let go of his power)

I'm also interested to see how would we be doing under pro-spread offense like Pats and Steelers.

Anyway, I have no clue who would be a perfect fit for us regarding the pro-spread scheme.

What we need is a 'smart' QB with accuracy, who could go deep but doesn't have to posess the strongest arm.

See Warner, Big Ben or Brady as an example.

We really need that type of QB, and I doubt we ever had one. (Gannon was not even capable of going deep in my book, he could throw some but not as accurate as those aforementioned three)

Man, I really wanna see us rejuvenate, and Mr.Davis...I really hope you read this board and see how we want our team to win so bad.

[Bram Raider]

Originally Posted by THEE805RAIDER

Trestman's name surfaces in connection with the Raiders
Posted by Mike Florio on November 21, 2009 2:12 PM ET
Eyebrows were raised this week when word surfaced that Montreal Alouettes coach Marc Trestman has landed on the early list for the coaching vacancy in Buffalo.

The fact that Trestman's name is churning in the Raiders rumor mill is less surprising.

Trestman spent three years with the Raiders, first as quarterbacks coach in 2001 and then as offensive coordinator in 2002 and 2003. In his first season as offensive coordinator, the Raiders made it to the Super Bowl.

Trestman next served as quarterbacks coach for the Dolphins in 2004, and then as offensive offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach at North Carolina State in 2005-06. For the past three years, Trestman has coached the Alouettes.

This year, Trestman's team has won 15 and lost only three. On Sunday, the Alouettes host the B.C. Lions in the CFL's East Division final. (We're not sure why the B.C. Lions would be in the "East Division" of any football league other than one headquartered in Russia.)

And though Trestman is better known (relatively speaking) than Lane Kiffin or Tom Cable when each became head coach of the Raiders, Trestman fits the "no other NFL options" profile that owner Al Davis currently applies when hiring head coaches, since men with other NFL options will opt not to coach the Raiders.


Trestman's name surfaces in connection with the Raiders | ProFootballTalk.com

Montreal is killing the BC Lions at the moment.
Wonder if Al is watching

[Bram Raider]

Originally Posted by Gen_Man

A WCO is a terrible idea. Harbaugh does not even run a west coast offense.

What this team needs is consistency at the coaching staff for more than two years. The only consistency we have had is on the D side of things and a lot of our guys have developed.

THE OFFENSE needs consistency first and foremost.

**** the west coast offense. You want to run a dink and dunk offense? Be my guess. Teams who run a 3-4 with big ass mothe****ing linebackers would swallow that system. The league figured out the west coast which is why you see more teams adapting the spread, the coryell.. The last two teams that run a Super Bowl ran a Stretch offense by the way.

You mean the same offense that the 49ers took to 5 Superbowl victories?
And has now warped into the Saints prolific offense?
The WCO is a style of play. It is a timing system with numerous 3 step drops and underneath throws, allied with slants and crossing patterns.

[bigjayboogie]

the WCO of of 2001 is obselete by the 3-4...no team is actually running it anymore....they are running hybrids of it...but the linebackers are too fast to let those 3 yard slants turn into big plays....the closest thing to a west coast offense you see now a days is the philly middle screen....but that's with westbrook in there....with the new rules about cb contact teams are airing it out more...even temas like philly a going more vertical now.

Uh...well..got to thinking...BIG OMISSION...the saints are still using it...lol!!

[Raidermofojeff]

Originally Posted by Chiefhater

I'm all for Trestman if that means the return of the WCO.

+1......but I'd rather have Gruden.........

and now aftre reading from people who actually defend the Coryell system.......I'll refer to Jay whom mentioned that teams use hybrids of it......as we did in the Gruden years.......I completely disagree with the premise of those whom say that LBs shut down the run after the catch in the 3-4 because they're so much faster than they used to be. 1st of all LBs in the 90s were just as fast...........2nd of all, the appetite for big plays is half the problem.........We need to control the ball as is the design of a WC system, clock needs to be eaten and we need red zone efficiency.........WRs will always find the soft spots in zones with 4.4 and 4.5 running LBs.........and RBs will do the same..........Big plays suck!...........Ball control rules.............

[Bram Raider]

Originally Posted by Silv3randblack

I never knew that he's hard on his players, he doesn't look like that kinda guy to me ;p

But I'm now enlightened by ur number 2.

I really think that if given a full control, Martz could satisfy both Mr.Davis and us Raiderfans.

His offense obviously potraits significance of team speed and vertical passing game.

He also used Marshall Faulk as a multi-purpose threat efficiently and innovatively...and I once fantasized that McFadden could, at his best, be like him.

Martz is certainly my dream coach (esp OC).

Could you clarify points on his health issue and conflicts with the niners?




Okay, that shuts his door without any doubts.

Martz was fired by the 49ers.
He was seen as having little patience with the WRs and QBs.
He wanted to play the guys he wanted - those that he thought picked up the offense fastest, as oppose to the most talented.
Remember, they brought in Bruce in part because Martz wanted somebody who knew his offense.

It is seen as being very complicated.
Great idea with Russell still on the team!

And as for his health, don't you recall that the Raiders when asked about Martz back in 2006 brought up their concerns with his health?

[Gen_Man]

Originally Posted by Bram Raider

You mean the same offense that the 49ers took to 5 Superbowl victories?
And has now warped into the Saints prolific offense?
The WCO is a style of play. It is a timing system with numerous 3 step drops and underneath throws, allied with slants and crossing patterns.

Different era of football.

And the Saints haven't won a super bowl with the O. Even with that, they don't even run a true WCO system. Lets see which offensive system wins a ring this year. My money is on a team that stretches the field.

No need to sell me on the WCO. I am well aware of what it is. Just like I am aware of the Coryell SYSTEM and the spread.

Here is a trivia question for you: name the last team to win a super bowl using the West Coast Offense?

[Bram Raider]

Originally Posted by Gen_Man

Different era of football.

And the Saints haven't won a super bowl with the O. Even with that, they don't even run a true WCO system. Lets see which offensive system wins a ring this year. My money is on a team that stretches the field.

No need to sell me on the WCO. I am well aware of what it is. Just like I am aware of the Coryell SYSTEM and the spread.

Here is a trivia question for you: name the last team to win a super bowl using the West Coast Offense?

Do you mean the pure Bill Walsh system, given the moniker West Coast Offense? Then it would be Shanahan and the Broncos.

But the WCO is more a style of play. Gruden used it to effect with the Raiders. Pass to set up the run, rather than the other way round. Create passing routes and plays that emphasise strength in running after the catch and hitting the receiver in stride. Timing routes and short drops.

The Saints system, like the Patriots system is a development and mixture of elements of the Bill Walsh style of offense and the spread. And I'll say this, that offense has consistently been one of the best over the last 3 years.

Funny, but I remember Sean Payton being linked with the Raiders job a while back.
Wonder how that might have turned out?

[fad]

His team won 56-18 in front of my very own eyes.

I had never seen a team put away another by converting turnovers into instant TDs like this. It was 31-11 at the half!

This coach really knows how to get the best out of his players. Everyone gave his A game sunday and there was never a chance for the Lions.

[KMAIARF]

Originally Posted by pigspigs76

yeah Marc Trestman is a good coach for a solid football team...


The Argonauts on the other hand have **** football team with a **** head coach in Bart Andrus...


All my favorite teams suck a$$ right now.

I hear ya i'm a Bomber fan so it's been a wild year between my 2 teams.

[danax]

Do we really want to shake the coaching staff up yet again? The players seem to like Cable, he's dedicated to the team and has learned a lot in the past 2 years. He's not the reason we're 3-7. I think that it would be a solid boost to team morale to keep Cable. It would show the team that Uncle Al believes that the direction that the team is going is correct.