[beau]

I think that most would take John Elway as a rookie in a heartbeat...Is that safe to say? Just look at his 1st ten years in the NFL. Particularly the following stats....these are shocking....His TD to INT stats are nearly break even after 10 years (TD-158) (INT-157). Equally shocking is his completion percentage that averaged a dismal 54.4% over 10 seasons never once breaking 60% And then there is the all important QB rating. He averaged only 72.1% for his first 10 years only breaking 80% one time!
This is a hall of fame QB that anyone would take on their team in a second, no questions asked or critisizms made. Yet our guy, JR, can't get anyone off his back after 2 real seasons. Gimme a friggin break! Here are the facts!!

Here are JR's numbers after only 19 games. Compared to Elways 1st 10 years.

JR's QB rating 73.9% 72.1% (Elway's 1st 10 years)

JR's TD/INT Ratio 15/12 158/157

JR's Comp.% 53.9% 54.4%

JR's better already in 2 of 3 catagories and only .5% behind in the comp.%
I'll take that vs. a hall of fame QB for a start. Now remember these are JR's numbers after only 19 games vs. a hall of famers first 10 years in the league with alot of experience under his belt. Also remember JR came into the league on a team in dissaray and with a new coach each year with no stability. Also no receiving corp. to speak of, no Defense and a team rated nearly last in the league. Elway dealt with none of that. He had a top flight organization, players around him and coaching staff behind him. Remember that's what he wanted...demanded Baltimore trade him...

All things considered, I'd like to see the expert bashers at ESPN address these numbers and defend themselves on the bashing of the Raider's soon to be "top league QB in the near future"...Numbers don't lie...Eat that bashers!!!

Here is the link for Elways stats...

John Elway - Career Statistics

Here is the link for JR's stats...

JaMarcus Russell

[Naphtali]

Originally Posted by beau

I think that most would take John Elway as a rookie in a heartbeat...Is that safe to say? Just look at his 1st ten years in the NFL. Particularly the following stats....these are shocking....His TD to INT stats are nearly break even after 10 years (TD-158) (INT-157). Equally shocking is his completion percentage that averaged a dismal 54.4% over 10 seasons never once breaking 60% And then there is the all important QB rating. He averaged only 72.1% for his first 10 years only breaking 80% one time!
This is a hall of fame QB that anyone would take on their team in a second, no questions asked or critisizms made. Yet our guy, JR, can't get anyone off his back after 2 real seasons. Gimme a friggin break! Here are the facts!!

Here are JR's numbers after only 19 games. Compared to Elways 1st 10 years.

JR's QB rating 73.9% 72.1% (Elway's 1st 10 years)

JR's TD/INT Ratio 15/12 158/157

JR's Comp.% 53.9% 54.4%

JR's better already in 2 of 3 catagories and only .5% behind in the comp.%
I'll take that vs. a hall of fame QB for a start. Now remember these are JR's numbers after only 19 games vs. a hall of famers first 10 years in the league with alot of experience under his belt. Also remember JR came into the league on a team in dissaray and with a new coach each year with no stability. Also no receiving corp. to speak of, no Defense and a team rated nearly last in the league. Elway dealt with none of that. He had a top flight organization, players around him and coaching staff behind him. Remember that's what he wanted...demanded Baltimore trade him...

All things considered, I'd like to see the expert bashers at ESPN address these numbers and defend themselves on the bashing of the Raider's soon to be "top league QB in the near future"...Numbers don't lie...Eat that bashers!!!

Here is the link for Elways stats...

John Elway - Career Statistics

Here is the link for JR's stats...

JaMarcus Russell

I agree that Russell has gotten bashed unfairly byt media and his a lot of his own fans. No one seemed to care that Russell had no repore with his receivers until the last quarter of the year
Your right with this comparison, except a lot of Elway issues were because of coaching and scheme. He still got virtually a non super bowl team to the Super bowl multiple times
When Shannahan got Elway in the West coast he became much more profficent.
Jamarcus is special, but he doesn't look the part to must people. Lets face it everyone usually steryotypes a great smart QB as a Peyton Manning, or even Brady QUinn type.
Russell is different, he like a combination of Rothlessburger and Elway and his laid back, quiet firery attitude is perfect for this franchise, even if others don't realize it

[JQNJRaider]

Stats are good, but was Elway winning games? If the answer is yes, the we must understand that winning cures all. If Russell was winning games, he would most definitely be out of the spotlight.

[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by beau

I think that most would take John Elway as a rookie in a heartbeat...Is that safe to say? Just look at his 1st ten years in the NFL. Particularly the following stats....these are shocking....His TD to INT stats are nearly break even after 10 years (TD-158) (INT-157). Equally shocking is his completion percentage that averaged a dismal 54.4% over 10 seasons never once breaking 60% And then there is the all important QB rating. He averaged only 72.1% for his first 10 years only breaking 80% one time!
This is a hall of fame QB that anyone would take on their team in a second, no questions asked or critisizms made. Yet our guy, JR, can't get anyone off his back after 2 real seasons. Gimme a friggin break! Here are the facts!!

Here are JR's numbers after only 19 games. Compared to Elways 1st 10 years.

JR's QB rating 73.9% 72.1% (Elway's 1st 10 years)

JR's TD/INT Ratio 15/12 158/157

JR's Comp.% 53.9% 54.4%

JR's better already in 2 of 3 catagories and only .5% behind in the comp.%
I'll take that vs. a hall of fame QB for a start. Now remember these are JR's numbers after only 19 games vs. a hall of famers first 10 years in the league with alot of experience under his belt. Also remember JR came into the league on a team in dissaray and with a new coach each year with no stability. Also no receiving corp. to speak of, no Defense and a team rated nearly last in the league. Elway dealt with none of that. He had a top flight organization, players around him and coaching staff behind him. Remember that's what he wanted...demanded Baltimore trade him...

All things considered, I'd like to see the expert bashers at ESPN address these numbers and defend themselves on the bashing of the Raider's soon to be "top league QB in the near future"...Numbers don't lie...Eat that bashers!!!

Here is the link for Elways stats...

John Elway - Career Statistics

Here is the link for JR's stats...

JaMarcus Russell

The only numbers most of us care about is the wins and losses... stats are pretty much useless unless it produces wins... When Russell starts winning games at a steady clip then post those comparisons.

[HitStick]

Why worry!?

We can worry because Russell will never ever be a John Elway.

[SF Mikey]

Originally Posted by beau

Russell vs John Elway's #'s Early In Career...Why worry?

I think you'll find that today's QB stats are inflated compared to previous eras. The game has changed a lot since Elway was a rookie. The NFL have tilted the rule book towards the offense over the years which has helped to greately inflate QB rankings / ratings. Therefore, I don't think there is much relevance comparing stats from different eras.

Ultimately Russell's success will be calculated in wins / losses not any other meaningless stats.

I think there is a lot of truth in the following saying: There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

[Noobstur]

Just because Elway did it doesn't mean Russell will do it as well. But lets just hope.