[bigjayboogie]

Originally Posted by Anotharaiderfan

Completly ridiculous, you claim to be a realist, but you have no recollection of how highly graded JaMarcus was.
"The best physical skillset i've ever seen"Said Mayock and he wasn't just talking about throwing sixty yards, they said he had great touch and accuracy and his stats reflected it.

You give his recievers the credit but Dwayne dropped a lot passes last year and Buster Davis is where?

LSU hasn't produced a first round reciever since Russell left. Dwayne Bowe was a 3 star prospect out of high school a case can be made that he overachieved becuase of Russell's accuracy in college.
YouTube - JaMarcus Russell NFL Draft

I think this is important to note because a lot of people act like Jamarcus was a reach at #1.....NO ONE questioned that pick...sure....some people said they wanted Quin (you don't hear much from them anymore) and some wanted megatron. I frankly thought it was a toss up. When confronted with getting Megatron by the big homie...I was like...."whose going to throw it to him?"

The funny part of all of this is that Both men are physical freaks that don't come along except every 10 years or so. I frankly thought Al couldn't miss with either one. I don't know how you can really critique the pick of either one...even now. It is very funny that the prognosticators try to act like it was a bad pick at the time and we did it only for his big arm...where he was the #1 ranked player in everyone's list.

[raiderdude06]

Originally Posted by biggumt

freeman...hes more mobile because HE IS IN SHAPE UNLIKE SOMEBODY

wow

[mcnayster]

Wtf?

[BoJack247]

Originally Posted by bigjayboogie

I think this is important to note because a lot of people act like Jamarcus was a reach at #1.....NO ONE questioned that pick...sure....some people said they wanted Quin (you don't hear much from them anymore) and some wanted megatron. I frankly thought it was a toss up. When confronted with getting Megatron by the big homie...I was like...."whose going to throw it to him?"

The funny part of all of this is that Both men are physical freaks that don't come along except every 10 years or so. I frankly thought Al couldn't miss with either one. I don't know how you can really critique the pick of either one...even now. It is very funny that the prognosticators try to act like it was a bad pick at the time and we did it only for his big arm...where he was the #1 ranked player in everyone's list.

i honestly would have wanted Megatron or AD and had the collective of Culpepper, McCown and Walter figure it out since Russell's rookie season was a wash and didn't help the team one bit anyway. at the very least we would have seen either Calvin or Adrian Peterson do some damage by doing something on the field other than a throwaway final game of the season against the Chargers.

[BlackPearl34]

Originally Posted by bigjayboogie

lol! even now would you take quin? seriously?

Yes simply for the fact that his Work ethic is not in question. He is fiery and an extremely hard worker. Its not like JaMarcus has given us some game breaking performances.

[madstork]

Originally Posted by BlackPearl34

Yes simply for the fact that his Work ethic is not in question. He is fiery and an extremely hard worker. Its not like JaMarcus has given us some game breaking performances.

You know, nobody was lauding the respective work ethics of Favre, Elway, Aikman, or Big Ben when they were JR's age. I know the media thinks there is only one mold that produces successful QBs but the reality is never that simple.

Not saying Russell doesn't have to work hard but does anyone think Brett Favre was ever a film rat in the mold of a Peyton Manning? He wasn't.

[BlackPearl34]

Originally Posted by madstork

You know, nobody was lauding the respective work ethics of Favre, Elway, Aikman, or Big Ben when they were JR's age. I know the media thinks there is only one mold that produces successful QBs but the reality is never that simple.

Not saying Russell doesn't have to work hard but does anyone think Brett Favre was ever a film rat in the mold of a Peyton Manning? He wasn't.

Brett Favre has ALOT of fire when he plays. He gains great Repor out of his WRs and teammates which make him that much more of a leader for his teammates.

[bigjayboogie]

Originally Posted by BoJack247

i honestly would have wanted Megatron or AD and had the collective of Culpepper, McCown and Walter figure it out since Russell's rookie season was a wash and didn't help the team one bit anyway. at the very least we would have seen either Calvin or Adrian Peterson do some damage by doing something on the field other than a throwaway final game of the season against the Chargers.

yeah..but you were one of a few cats that actually thought ad would instantly be the best rb in the league. We didn't know that jam rock was going to hold out so we had the choice of the physical freak QB or the physical freak Wideout......

I thought it was a toss up...I still do.

[madstork]

Originally Posted by BlackPearl34

Brett Favre has ALOT of fire when he plays. He gains great Repor out of his WRs and teammates which make him that much more of a leader for his teammates.

And Russell's teammates said they liked his laid back style in the huddle last year, specifically in the 4th quarter of the Tampa game. Hell, the two Raider QBs who won super bowls were not firey types. Neither was Aikman or Elway, 2 other guys I mentioned.

QBs, leaders, people come in all styles. There's more than one way to succeed.

[jtagg7754]

Originally Posted by madstork

Yeah finding one of those is damn near impossible, and it's still not getting you anywhere without the guy to get him the ball.

Very true, but he did make Kitna, McCown, and Culpepper (who would have thrown him the ball in Oakland his first year) look pretty damn good last year. That's undeniable.

Now you're reaching. Sanchez is nowhere near the prospect Russell was. And if Quinn was just as good or better as a prospect he wouldn't have dropped in the draft like he did, trust me. When the Raiders picked Russell there was no serious talk of him being a "reach"; the pick was expected and mostly accepted. And as I mentioned, Mayock said he had the best skill set of any QB he ever saw coming out of college. When you've been playing the "rent a vet at QB" game since the 1970s and a guy like that is there for the taking, you grab him and don't think twice.

How is Sanchez not? The guy shot up draft boards then had someone jump 12 spots for him. There wasn't a huge need at QB when Russell and Quinn were in there, but that's not the reason. Quinn was a damn good prospect, I cannot answer why he fell but I'm sure it's not b/c of his talent.

There was no talking of him being a reach b/c everyone knew they'd take him. If you want to say he's worth the FIRST overall pick of the draft, that's on you. I don't believe he was b/c of all the concerns about him.

Sure Mayock said he was the best. That's fine. If Kiper had said it, everyone would be bringing that up as much crap as they talk about him. For every guy saying he's the best, there's another one saying he's not.

Again, agree to disagree. The franchise QB will always trump the franchise WR if your team has neither. Clearly the Raiders felt Russell was a franchise QB. So did a lot of other people.

You're right, it does. But this is the exception to the rule. Junior QBs RARELY succeed. RARELY. A guy like CJ was as close to bust proof as possible. Russell is still very bust prone. His hold out didn't help him one bit either in any of this.

I'm not arguing that people thought that, nor am I arguing the Raiders needed one. CJ was just the better prospect, that's all.

[jtagg7754]

Originally Posted by the_new_Jerry

^ In how many starts each?

B/c Russell and CJ are the sole reasons each team wins and loses. I was mocking how bad that is to judge a player. It's seriously terrible.

[jtagg7754]

Originally Posted by Anotharaiderfan

Completly ridiculous, you claim to be a realist, but you have no recollection of how highly graded JaMarcus was.
"The best physical skillset i've ever seen"Said Mayock and he wasn't just talking about throwing sixty yards, they said he had great touch and accuracy and his stats reflected it.

You give his recievers the credit but Dwayne dropped a lot passes last year and Buster Davis is where?

LSU hasn't produced a first round reciever since Russell left. Dwayne Bowe was a 3 star prospect out of high school a case can be made that he overachieved becuase of Russell's accuracy in college.
YouTube - JaMarcus Russell NFL Draft

B/c Mayock said it it's true. My bad.

If you don't think Bowe and Davis didn't help Russell in college, you never watched him play except in one or two games. <---- I'm better that's the honest truth. I bet you had no idea who Russell was until half way through his final season at LSU.

Oh my lord. You're really saying Russell made them better b/c he was a three-star recruit out of high school????????????............. Wow. I've heard it all now.

Hey guys, if you're a one star recruit out of high school, you might as well not play. There's no way you can get better, That's just unreal. I cannot believe you think that. Now I doubt you even watched him play one game.

[jtagg7754]

Originally Posted by the_new_Jerry

more solid points, ARF....

No they weren't ha ha ha. He said Bowe couldn't help b/c he was a three-star recruit out of high school. If you don't think that's asinine, that's your fault.

Get over me dude, you honestly have some hatred for me which is why I get an infraction by you for a small insult and I highly doubt you gave anyone else one for calling me a "troll" or calling me gay in a derogatory manner which were significantly worse than what I said. Treat everyone equally, that's all I ask w/ MODs b/c it's apparent you're not.

[SF Mikey]

Originally Posted by 8485

JaMarcus Russell or Josh Freeman?

I doubt very few people outside of the state of Kansas have ever seen Josh Freeman play. I know I haven't.

[jtagg7754]

Originally Posted by SF Mikey

I doubt very few people outside of the state of Kansas have ever seen Josh Freeman play. I know I haven't.

I didn't until someone last off-season said he was the best QB prospect in college and then I started watching him more closely. I had seen KSU play a couple times before b/c I liked Jordy Nelson.

I bet you're very right for the most part though. There's not much of a reason to even watch KSU.