[Mykle VanHausen]

Originally Posted by Wormwood

No our defenses inability to make a critical stop in crunch time or hold onto a late lead has been our achilles heal since Ryan has arrived.

I remember someone on RF365 (A.C.?) calling out Jeff Fish for the Raiders D faultering late in games during the 06' season.

I felt it had more to do with the fact they were on the field too much because of the terrible O.

With Roll in control, should get a better picture of the situation.

Some of last years late quarter leads can't be put entirely on the D.

McCown and Culp turned the ball over late in games putting the D up against it.

Dinged up along the line last year too...

This is a good D and you'll see that this year.

[bigjayboogie]

Originally Posted by Mykle VanHausen

I remember someone on RF365 (A.C.?) calling out Jeff Fish for the Raiders D faultering late in games during the 06' season.

I felt it had more to do with the fact they were on the field too much because of the terrible O.

With Roll in control, should get a better picture of the situation.

Some of last years late quarter leads can't be put entirely on the D.

McCown and Culp turned the ball over late in games putting the D up against it.

Dinged up along the line last year too...

This is a good D and you'll see that this year.

I believe you're right and I honestly believe that warren is a stud. I was amazed we got him for a 5th round pick and believe if he stays on the field we are looking good for him at NT and kelly at the 3-technique...we'll see. He has proved one-on-one that he can get to the QB and disrupt...let's see if he can eat up to blockers and stop the run.

I think Ryan gets another year to see what he can do with a healthy line....but if they continue to tackle bad we can't put this all on ryan. He was getting the guys in position to make plays...theyjust weren't making them.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by bigjayboogie

I believe you're right and I honestly believe that warren is a stud. I was amazed we got him for a 5th round pick and believe if he stays on the field we are looking good for him at NT and kelly at the 3-technique...we'll see. He has proved one-on-one that he can get to the QB and disrupt...let's see if he can eat up to blockers and stop the run.

I think Ryan gets another year to see what he can do with a healthy line....but if they continue to tackle bad we can't put this all on ryan. He was getting the guys in position to make plays...theyjust weren't making them.

That's real talk. A consistent rotation of Sands and Warren at the nose sounds pretty good on paper, but with Warren dissapearing for series at a time and Sands flat out blundering last year, nobody can say for sure it'll work out. We saw a flash of Sands' capability in stopping the run when he flipped LT on his ass, and saw Warren's pass rushing capabilites on an inconsistant basis throughout the year..

This year will tell the full tale of what changes the Oakland Raiders need to become true contenders in '09. That it, of course if our staff stays in tact..

[Wormwood]

Warren has flashed at times but he's yet to put together an entire season where he's been dominant consistently. I'm just thinking we're better off using a platoon sysytem where we rotate these guys in and out and try to keep them fresh.

[bigjayboogie]

Originally Posted by Wormwood

Warren has flashed at times but he's yet to put together an entire season where he's been dominant consistently. I'm just thinking we're better off using a platoon sysytem where we rotate these guys in and out and try to keep them fresh.

we have to. No one on our line has proved the ability to stay healthy for 16 games. Platooning them is really the only way. On paper we can make the arguments..but they really need to do it through week 1-17.

[Raidermofojeff]

I havn't thought about this for a while, a reality check is in order. I hope this defense is more sophisticated than last years joke. I thought Ryan should of been gone. I can dig the man to man with the right personel,which I believe we have.(at least in the secondary) That said,we need line stunts and blitzes. You gotta wonder how closely Al works with Rob?
Was that the Syracuse or USC defense of the 50's!

I'm cool with Raider tradition of the old school man to man, but being prepared to go zone if it ain't working as an adjustment sounds good to me. I think simplicity is a good way to go, but at least have some stunts and plays. Keep the guys moving forward, attacking the ball, but give em' some stunts too! Offenses need to be guessing against us a lot more.
It's not like we have overall dominating talent and can arrogantly say,"you know what were gonna do, now beat us."
I liked the type defense we played back in the Original Art Shell coaching era. As a side note, I'm not that crazy about small defensive ends as we've had a lot. Greg Townsend or Bruce Smith, Reggie White, thats what I call a DE!

[DarkLordAlDavis]

Originally Posted by Raidermofojeff

You gotta wonder how closely Al works with Rob?

Much to close......

"I’m involved in defense on the scheme but Rob will have autonomy,” Davis said. “That’s his defense. He’s the defensive coordinator. If you want to say he’s got the final say on everything, no, he doesn’t.”

OK, what about the frustration of having a very good defensive season wasted because of a pathetic offense?

''What did Bill Belichick say two years ago?'' Davis said. ''He said Coach Davis works with the defense. So I'll let it go at that right now".

"Lance" Kiffin- Because of the fact that we don't have a general manager, he's really the general manager. He's kind of the general manager, director of college scouting, director of pro personnel and >>>>>sometimes the defensive coordinator."<<<<<<

[bigjayboogie]

Originally Posted by Raidermofojeff

I havn't thought about this for a while, a reality check is in order. I hope this defense is more sophisticated than last years joke. I thought Ryan should of been gone. I can dig the man to man with the right personel,which I believe we have.(at least in the secondary) That said,we need line stunts and blitzes. You gotta wonder how closely Al works with Rob?
Was that the Syracuse or USC defense of the 50's!

I'm cool with Raider tradition of the old school man to man, but being prepared to go zone if it ain't working as an adjustment sounds good to me. I think simplicity is a good way to go, but at least have some stunts and plays. Keep the guys moving forward, attacking the ball, but give em' some stunts too! Offenses need to be guessing against us a lot more.
It's not like we have overall dominating talent and can arrogantly say,"you know what were gonna do, now beat us."
I liked the type defense we played back in the Original Art Shell coaching era. As a side note, I'm not that crazy about small defensive ends as we've had a lot. Greg Townsend or Bruce Smith, Reggie White, thats what I call a DE!

agreed. I am not into lil DE's who can only rushh the QB...can't make a tackle or do anything other than rush the QB. Townsend is my favorite raider all-time and when him and howie were on the line they came hard...they lived in the backfield and if you ran at em...your blocking would be stood up and our LBs would gobble em up. Even FGs weren't guaranteed...we came hard. This line is nowhere near that.....but for their pay they need to step up. Reports from the OTAs of Ryan and Kiff having to say "come on D" is shameful, frankly. I hope they get it together...they have the talent...they need to have the desire when the ball is snapped.

If they can't do it then we need to have an all defensive draft next year. We have a pretty good youth movement on the offensive side of the ball...we will need that for defense as well.

[or24]

Originally Posted by Mykle VanHausen

I remember someone on RF365 (A.C.?) calling out Jeff Fish for the Raiders D faultering late in games during the 06' season.

I felt it had more to do with the fact they were on the field too much because of the terrible O.

With Roll in control, should get a better picture of the situation.

Some of last years late quarter leads can't be put entirely on the D.

McCown and Culp turned the ball over late in games putting the D up against it.

Dinged up along the line last year too...

This is a good D and you'll see that this year.

If you are refering to last year, our defense was well rested and kept off the field as our offense was near the top of the league in t.o.p.

[or24]

Originally Posted by bigjayboogie

agreed. I am not into lil DE's who can only rushh the QB...can't make a tackle or do anything other than rush the QB. Townsend is my favorite raider all-time and when him and howie were on the line they came hard...they lived in the backfield and if you ran at em...your blocking would be stood up and our LBs would gobble em up. Even FGs weren't guaranteed...we came hard. This line is nowhere near that.....but for their pay they need to step up. Reports from the OTAs of Ryan and Kiff having to say "come on D" is shameful, frankly. I hope they get it together...they have the talent...they need to have the desire when the ball is snapped.

If they can't do it then we need to have an all defensive draft next year. We have a pretty good youth movement on the offensive side of the ball...we will need that for defense as well.

I agree guys like Kalimba edwards and Chris Clemons are liabilities against the run. I also don't like OVERsized ends like Kelly and Richardson who hardly provide a pass rush, but I'd take them first and play Edwards and Clemons in obvious passing situations.

[Sledge]

We need to see more blitzing. If we can get the QB rushed / hurried against the DB's & LB's we have now (if they play well this year) we could see a huge turnaround.

[oldschool]

Originally Posted by or24

If you are refering to last year, our defense was well rested and kept off the field as our offense was near the top of the league in t.o.p.

25 Oakland Raiders 294.8 Total
23 Oakland Raiders 17.7 Scoring
31 Oakland Raiders 164.4 Passing
6 Oakland Raiders 130.4 Rushing
23 Oakland Raiders 20 Int's thrown We threw on average less 100 times less then the top 10 in passing.
22 Oakland Raiders 41 Sacks given up

32 teams where does this equal the top in the National Football League.

[bigjayboogie]

Originally Posted by Sledge

We need to see more blitzing. If we can get the QB rushed / hurried against the DB's & LB's we have now (if they play well this year) we could see a huge turnaround.

now that we have 1 safety that can make a tackle we might be able to make some progress here.

[bigjayboogie]

Originally Posted by oldschool

25 Oakland Raiders 294.8 Total
23 Oakland Raiders 17.7 Scoring
31 Oakland Raiders 164.4 Passing
6 Oakland Raiders 130.4 Rushing
23 Oakland Raiders 20 Int's thrown We threw on average less 100 times less then the top 10 in passing.
22 Oakland Raiders 41 Sacks given up

32 teams where does this equal the top in the National Football League.

sarcasm....

[Mytruckhercar]

I'd love to be optimistic about the D. Until Asomugha is signed, I fear there will be animosity amongst the DB's.

Rob Ryan hasn't learned humility in the past several years of losing. I think he is a jerk.

As long as Morrison plays like a Safety, the Raiders will struggle against the run. I don't know who is responsible for him playing so deep from the line, but I don't like it.

Still hopin' Aso gets his contact and the firm of Morrison & Howard cram the line. I'll keep my fingers crossed.