What’s different between 06-07 and 08?

[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by neverlooking

You keep trying to change the topic.
Again, coverage sacks are not the fault of the OL, and our OL is more than adequate to let us be a good team this year. We'll be at least average, and perhaps above average in pass blocking.

Too many chicken littles around here.

You obviously don't care to see another point of view, which is fine. I'm not off topic, you continue to dredge up your reasons why they will be good, it's your opinion we get it... a sack is sack it doesn't matter how it's recorded.

BTW, the petty insults you give people is getting old dude...

[MadBomber24]

Originally Posted by neverlooking

Please take a math course. I posted ratios. Ratios of attempts to sacks. It clearly showed for the same number of attempts, Pepp was sacked more than McCown, even though the line was essentiall the same.

And how do you emphasize the 1st game of the season where our line and QB and HB were new to the ZBS? That has nothing to do with the mid-season or late season last year, and CERTAINLY nothing to do with this year.

That fuzzy math and weak point show you are blind when it comes to what the Raiders are good at.

You do realize that the ZBS is a run blocking scheme and not used in Pass pro? Zone pass blocking is completely different from the zone blocking scheme the Raiders started using this season.

[neverlooking]

Originally Posted by MadBomber24

You do realize that the ZBS is a run blocking scheme and not used in Pass pro? Zone pass blocking is completely different from the zone blocking scheme the Raiders started using this season.

There are a variety of reasons the first tame was tough, and on was is the linemen were learning the ZBS and Cable's techniques for the first time.

Another was they were working together for the first time.

Another was the information overload affected them more in the first few games than the rest of the season.

An OL has to work together for many games.

[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by neverlooking

There are a variety of reasons the first tame was tough, and on was is the linemen were learning the ZBS and Cable's techniques for the first time.

Another was they were working together for the first time.

Another was the information overload affected them more in the first few games than the rest of the season.

An OL has to work together for many games.

With two new additions to that offensive line, then this will be the same scenario this season, so this idea the offensive line is going to be head and shoulders better is a tad premature... the offensive line will be a work in progress during the year... Your comments seem to suggest a contradiction in your original post...


1. 2006, because of crappy O-line play, our starter, Brooks, went down, and AW was running for his life most of the season. Now, in 2008, Cable’s line and Kiffin’s system is able to protect the QB. (in 2007, we barely had a QB). We’ll have time to throw in ‘08.

^ this won't happen right out of the gate... pass protection is still a weakness and adding those two players means it will take several games before they are working as a unit...

[MadBomber24]

Originally Posted by neverlooking

There are a variety of reasons the first tame was tough, and on was is the linemen were learning the ZBS and Cable's techniques for the first time.

Another was they were working together for the first time.

Another was the information overload affected them more in the first few games than the rest of the season.

An OL has to work together for many games.

How many excuses can you come up with for bad performances? No really I want to see how many excuses you can come up with. None of them mean anything, but its fun to watch you make excuses for what was nothing more than a bad season by a bad o-line.

The saddest part about that is that the O-line had to improve to be as bad as they were last year in pass pro.

[neverlooking]

Originally Posted by HITMAN

With two new additions to that offensive line, then this will be the same scenario this season, so this idea the offensive line is going to be head and shoulders better is a tad premature... the offensive line will be a work in progress during the year... Your comments seem to suggest a contradiction in your original post...


1. 2006, because of crappy O-line play, our starter, Brooks, went down, and AW was running for his life most of the season. Now, in 2008, Cable’s line and Kiffin’s system is able to protect the QB. (in 2007, we barely had a QB). We’ll have time to throw in ‘08.

^ this won't happen right out of the gate... pass protection is still a weakness and adding those two players means it will take several games before they are working as a unit...

Sort of, but there won't be 5 of 5 OLinemen working together in a new system for the first time together. If it's only 3, it won't be all that bad.
Harris is a known good run blocker, and it's a good problem that Wade is the other newbie to the ZBS.

Also, the TE's are vet's of the ZBS, Russell has worked it, Fargas (if healthy) and both HB's are vet's, the whole system isn't new, etc.
Also, the whole offensves system isn't new with coaches as it was in '06 and '07. There's less overall to teach.

It's quite different.

[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by neverlooking

Sort of, but there won't be 5 of 5 OLinemen working together in a new system for the first time together. If it's only 3, it won't be all that bad.
Harris is a known good run blocker, and it's a good problem that Wade is the other newbie to the ZBS.

Also, the TE's are vet's of the ZBS, Russell has worked it, Fargas (if healthy) and both HB's are vet's, the whole system isn't new, etc.
Also, the whole offensves system isn't new with coaches as it was in '06 and '07. There's less overall to teach.

It's quite different.

You are correct it's not all five, but when you add two new elements it means there will be a learning curve, communication factors and confidence in the guy. That's why having an offensive line that works as a unit for a few years is critical. Look at all the elite line units in the league, they've played together for sometime and even when you replace a guy it takes a period of adjustment.

I've also noticed you have now added the caveat of "If healthy" in several of your recent posts. As I suggested a long time ago that variable can derail even the best laid plans...

[neverlooking]

Originally Posted by MadBomber24

How many excuses can you come up with for bad performances? No really I want to see how many excuses you can come up with. None of them mean anything, but its fun to watch you make excuses for what was nothing more than a bad season by a bad o-line.

The saddest part about that is that the O-line had to improve to be as bad as they were last year in pass pro.

What????? How emotional was that?????? This is discussion, not hormone alley.

If rational explanations upset you so much, knitting is a good option.

I've shown that the more experienced (in terms of reps in preseason), more mobile QB had a good enough attempt to sack ratio to project to meet hitman's 20% overall reduction. That's not excuses, that's math and discussing football. Get a hankie.

[neverlooking]

Originally Posted by HITMAN

You are correct it's not all five, but when you add two new elements it means there will be a learning curve, communication factors and confidence in the guy. That's why having an offensive line that works as a unit for a few years is critical. Look at all the elite line units in the league, they've played together for sometime and even when you replace a guy it takes a period of adjustment.

I've also noticed you have now added the caveat of "If healthy" in several of your recent posts. As I suggested a long time ago that variable can derail even the best laid plans...

Of course, what you said, about the typical OL is true.
I'm judging by last year. We were running all over the place in the early games, and this year, we got lots of easy games early, plus extra experience. It's gonna help Wade to have Gallery and Coop on either side of him, helping out. It's gonna help the LT, too. Imho, it's something to watch, not panic about.

All that is completly overshadowed by the positive changes that have happened on offense. Though the QB to receiver teams have their own timing issues to work out, JRuss will have almost twice the time anyone did last year to work with the first team, and he'll have a year's mental experience, and a few games experience to help him there.
Add in the huge talent upgrade at QB, McFadden, Bush, etc., and the acclimation of the new LT and C won't be tragic.

[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by neverlooking

Of course, what you said, about the typical OL is true.
I'm judging by last year. We were running all over the place in the early games, and this year, we got lots of easy games early, plus extra experience. It's gonna help Wade to have Gallery and Coop on either side of him, helping out. It's gonna help the LT, too. Imho, it's something to watch, not panic about.

All that is completly overshadowed by the positive changes that have happened on offense. Though the QB to receiver teams have t