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By definition, a "coverage sack" is not the OL's fault. That's why they call it a "coverage sack", not a "missed blocking assignment".
As you say, "anyone who knows football" knows that.
The OL is not blamed if they hold for 5 seconds and nobody's open. The QB can be blamed for not throwing it away, but the OL is off the hook after a certain amount of time of sucessful blocking.
Are you just arguing to trash the thread?
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Did I say anything about a missed assignment? no, it's registered as a sack, which is still attributed to the Offensive line, when they total the number of sacks at the end of the year they don't make distinctions. A sack is a sack and is recorded as such...
The offensive line while improved is still a concern, and most scouting reports I've read over the last few weeks bring up pass protection as still needing improvement...
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05-15-2008, 04:27 AM
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One example does not make a rule.
I showed how our 2007 OLine was 50% worse during the same season from one QB to another.
The projected average # of sacks for McCown easily met your own target of a 20% reduction in sacks over last year's totals.
Sometimes you gotta admit the facts. See?
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How can they have a 20% reduction in sacks when they haven't played a game yet? I'm referring to a 20% reduction this season...
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The job of the OL is to protect the QB regardless how bad he may or may not be. Yes there are coverage sacks, but they are still blamed on the OL, not the inability of the QB or WR's...
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You sound like Art Shell in 2006.
Here are 2,320 links on "coverage sack".
"coverage sack" seconds - Google Search
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The Kiffin firing and the Cable hiring marks the beginning of the turnaround for the franchise.
All the pieces are in place, and the anchor has been cut loose.
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How can they have a 20% reduction in sacks when they haven't played a game yet? I'm referring to a 20% reduction this season...
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You seem to have a habit of deliberately twisting my words in an immature attempt to ignore the facts or to annoy people, or else you have a severe problem reading.
I clearly posted:
"The projected average # of sacks for McCown easily met your own target of a 20% reduction in sacks over last year's totals."
Get a crayon and do the math.
QB Att/Sack
Josh McCown 13.6
Daunte Culpepper 8.9
JaMarcus Russell 11.0
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The Kiffin firing and the Cable hiring marks the beginning of the turnaround for the franchise.
All the pieces are in place, and the anchor has been cut loose.
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05-15-2008, 04:32 AM
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What?
You complain about the OL giving sacks, and I show it was due to a gimpy QB and a QB with no pre-season and few reps, and then you say it doesn't matter and that it's not poor QB play?
How can you ignore the facts? McCown, who had coverage sacks, had LESS sacks than the gimpy QB and the Rook QB. It IS QB dependant!!!!!
Jeff Georg could have had the best line in the world and he would have had more sacks than Gannon. It IS QB dependant!!!!!
Come on! Our line is ok in pass protection, and we've improved at C, we added a HB who rules, as raiderjohn622 said, "a draw to DMac can be a TD on any play".
Quit the naysaying and admit we're gonna get 2x the wins of last year.
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Our o-line is not very good in pass pro period. They are better than in 06 and will hopefully improve some more but are a LONG way away from being even decent. And most of the Raiders sacks were not "coverage" sacks as you say. They were sacks where the defender flat out beat the O-line and kept our Qb from being able to look for the open WR because he was trying to avoid the rush. It wasnt too often where the QB justheld the ball in the pocket with time and then got sacked because he couldnt find anyone.
And I sure hope the Raiders can win 8 games but I sure wouldnt bet on it happening this year.
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I know what a coverage sack is but do you not understand the sack is attributed to the offensive line? Unless of course these stats the league keeps track of are categorized as such, which they aren't. There is no distinction on the stat sheet between a missed block, a cover sack or missed assignment, or QB holding the ball to long. A sack is a sack is sack and 41 is not an acceptable number and Harris while a solid run blocker is not a great pass blocker.
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Our o-line is not very good in pass pro period. They are better than in 06 and will hopefully improve some more but are a LONG way away from being even decent. And most of the Raiders sacks were not "coverage" sacks as you say. They were sacks where the defender flat out beat the O-line and kept our Qb from being able to look for the open WR because he was trying to avoid the rush. It wasnt too often where the QB justheld the ball in the pocket with time and then got sacked because he couldnt find anyone.
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Spot on! We don't have a great O-line, ie they get burned a lot. Most of the sacks I've seen come from missed assignments.
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You seem to have a habit of deliberately twisting my words in an immature attempt to ignore the facts or to annoy people, or else you have a severe problem reading.
I clearly posted:
"The projected average # of sacks for McCown easily met your own target of a 20% reduction in sacks over last year's totals."
Get a crayon and do the math.
QB Att/Sack
Josh McCown 13.6
Daunte Culpepper 8.9
JaMarcus Russell 11.0
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I give up you are hopeless... just agree to disagree, you refuse to even see an opposing point of view... 
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Our o-line is not very good in pass pro period. They are better than in 06 and will hopefully improve some more but are a LONG way away from being even decent. And most of the Raiders sacks were not "coverage" sacks as you say. They were sacks where the defender flat out beat the O-line and kept our Qb from being able to look for the open WR because he was trying to avoid the rush. It wasnt too often where the QB justheld the ball in the pocket with time and then got sacked because he couldnt find anyone.
And I sure hope the Raiders can win 8 games but I sure wouldnt bet on it happening this year.
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Spot on! We don't have a great O-line, ie they get burned a lot. Most of the sacks I've seen come from missed assignments.
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At least it's clear to some people that the offensive line has been a constant problem and can recognize a problem when they see one...
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I know what a coverage sack is but do you not understand the sack is attributed to the offensive line? Unless of course these stats the league keeps track of are categorized as such, which they aren't. There is no distinction on the stat sheet between a missed block, a cover sack or missed assignment, or QB holding the ball to long. A sack is a sack is sack and 41 is not an acceptable number and Harris while a solid run blocker is not a great pass blocker.
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What?
The point is not about league stats, it's about how we're looking much better than 2006-2007 and you can't admit it.
You wrote (my bold emphasis):
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