[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by Attyla

but on the bright side, next year when we draft in the top 10, another top RB prospect can be argued over so at least we got that going for us

Very true...sad, but very true!

[ismail86]

Originally Posted by HITMAN

Great read and spot on...

agreed hitman. I dont like this guys writing style but he did hit the nail on the head...I didn't read any other posts besides yours because I'm sure everyone else will be saying "Hater" or "uneducated" or "Pointless article"

[ekgraider]

Originally Posted by DarkLordAlDavis

Sad but true.....

Story should have been 100 reasons why Mr Davis should have "pulled the trigger" on himself (before any DavisApologistAholic says I want him dead. He should fire the person responsible for this mess-Himself)...

"If Al wants fans to retain somewhat passionate in his product, he needs a coach they believe HE believes in. That wouldn’t be Kiffin, any more."- This is a joke right?? Like we will be all fired up about R. Ryan or a fired WR coach Lofton as our next HC.....

I am passionate no matter what he decides, but who am i to argue with this great writer who has the ability to speak for all raider fans, heck im just...o wait I am a Raiders fan and dont feel this way. So i will stick with my first impression....this guy is an idiot.

[ismail86]

Originally Posted by DarkLordAlDavis

"If Al wants fans to retain somewhat passionate in his product, he needs a coach they believe HE believes in. That wouldn’t be Kiffin, any more."- This is a joke right?? Like we will be all fired up about R. Ryan or a fired WR coach Lofton as our next HC.....

bro....you read that quote wrong man....

[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by ismail86

agreed hitman. I dont like this guys writing style but he did hit the nail on the head...I didn't read any other posts besides yours because I'm sure everyone else will be saying "Hater" or "uneducated" or "Pointless article"

LOL, which is usually the case... some writers while not fans of the Raiders can still express an opinion on the current state of affairs of the Raiders and even fans of other teams have spoken to me and asked what is going on in Oakland so this idea that people are writing simply to bad mouth the organization is far from the truth... people aren't fools and they can see things aren't what they seem to be in Raiderland...

[yayarea_raider]

Originally Posted by Raiders40

10 reasons Al Davis has to pull the trigger on Lane Kiffin by next week - Talking Points with Tim Kawakami - San Jose Mercury News sports blog

thanks 40. I still think it would be one of the dumbest moves ever. fire a coach right be4 the draft? it makes no sense, and it won't happen. Kiffin is still our HC, and he's got one last shot. Let's all hope Rob Ryan don't drop the fukin ball again...

[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by yayarea_raider

thanks 40. I still think it would be one of the dumbest moves ever. fire a coach right be4 the draft? it makes no sense, and it won't happen. Kiffin is still our HC, and he's got one last shot. Let's all hope Rob Ryan don't drop the fukin ball again...

I think Kiffin's time is short... Davis went into a season losing his DC right before the season so I doubt he'd worry if Kiffin is with the team or gone... You have to remember Davis thinks and believes coaching isn't the key to success in the NFL, however I'll bet when he coached the team he thought coaches were smarter than ownership...

[elvistcb]

Another F#$king media TOOL in a long line of media TOOLS!!

[tay]

"Lane vehemently denied that he didn't know about it," said Herrera, who spoke with Kiffin about the news report Thursday morning. "He did know about it. He was part of the interview process and he was totally in the loop. He told Mr. Davis to go ahead and get him on board. He turned it over to the organization to see if the organization could come to an agreement, which every organization does in regards to salary."

Raiders senior executive John Herrera said: "It's a non-issue. It hasn't been an issue. (Also), Dennis Green has already debunked the report."

The report added that Davis has targeted former Minnesota Vikings and Arizona Cardinals coach Green as a potential replacement for Kiffin.

Green told ESPN on Friday that, "I haven't really talked to Al about any coaching job, but, really, how many times has my name been mentioned every time something goes on with the Raiders?"

The situation began to deteriorate with Kiffin's insistence that defensive coordinator Rob Ryan be fired. Davis balked at such a move, according to people in the Raiders front office.

Earlier this week, Ryan and Kiffin downplayed any supposed rift between them and said that their relationship is fine.

Once Davis nixed Kiffin's proposed firing of Ryan, Kiffin reportedly told Davis to fire him if he wasn't going to have autonomy over which coaches to hire and fire.

Davis responded by asking Kiffin to resign, according to the ESPN report, and even gave Kiffin a resignation letter for him to sign.

Kiffin reportedly refused. For now, at least. His refusal likely would have to do with compensation.

The Raiders wouldn't owe Kiffin the money due him for the remaining two years on his contract if he resigned.

However, an NFL coach typically would stand to be paid all of that money if he were fired, as long as he stayed unemployed. Kiffin earns approximately $2 million per year.

Kiffin was allowed the freedom to hire new offensive coaches upon his arrival. Ryan and most of the defensive staff were under contract and retained.

Several reports said Davis stripped Kiffin of any authority over personnel and coaching moves, prohibited him from participating in meetings concerning free agency and the NFL draft and ordered him to clear any organizational decisions with Davis.

"It's all complete B.S.," Herrera said. "It's all absolutely ridiculous, beyond belief. Those stories are fraudulent. Everything is inaccurate. It's unconscionable. (The writers) should be held accountable. We're (angry) around here."

When asked if Kiffin was available for comment, Herrera said he was not.

"He doesn't want to get in a situation where he is more caught up in responding to rumors than he is coaching the football team," Herrera said

raiders john herrera comments - Google Search


complete BS....

[Christafur]

Dennis Green For Coach.....Brian Billick for Assit Coach/Offensive Coord.

[klvanzu]

worst article I have seen in awhile... purely subjective and built on assumptions. what garbage

[yayarea_raider]

Originally Posted by HITMAN

I think Kiffin's time is short... Davis went into a season losing his DC right before the season so I doubt he'd worry if Kiffin is with the team or gone... You have to remember Davis thinks and believes coaching isn't the key to success in the NFL, however I'll bet when he coached the team he thought coaches were smarter than ownership...

still though HITMAN, why the fuk would u do it now...he had all this time...but Kiffin still interviewed the new staff members, was at the combine (barely)...I mean, why do it now?

Well...maybe Al doesn't want Kiff to land anywhere now that for sure almost all if not all positions are already taken, which could be the scenario cause that's how Al is.

I just think the most logical situation is that Kiff stays for 08, and I'm guessing that if Al doesn't see quite a few deep balls and doesn't see us get to at least 7 wins, he of course will pull the plug.

I respect Al...but ****, the way he thinks is just fuked. I wish he'd stop livin in the 80's. You can't just go pick up another Jim Plunkett and think you're in superbowl contention. He don't even believe in...what is it HITMAN...team philosophy I think it is or just team chemistry...I can't remember.

I'm sorry, but if Al fires Kiffin now, or be4 or after the draft...I don't care WHO you are...If the Raiders wanted to talk to me I'd say FUK OFF! I can't believe that some players are still here. I tip my hat to Curry, Fargas, Burgess, and Nnamdi. I'm sure there is more, but just to name a few...they have stuck with the Raiders through all this...but HOW MUCH MORE CAN THEY TAKE? Another coach?

u need stability...but Al doesn't even know the meaning of the word

I respect your views and everyone elses, but I believe Kiffin is here for 08, and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is

[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by tay

raiders john herrera comments - Google Search


complete BS....

You have to be kidding me, Herrera is the ultimate spin doctor... Hell I would no more trust what comes out of Raider HQ on this situation than what came out of the mouth of that clown during the Iraq conflict...

[HITMAN]

Originally Posted by yayarea_raider

still though HITMAN, why the fuk would u do it now...he had all this time...but Kiffin still interviewed the new staff members, was at the combine (barely)...I mean, why do it now?

Well...maybe Al doesn't want Kiff to land anywhere now that for sure almost all if not all positions are already taken, which could be the scenario cause that's how Al is.

I just think the most logical situation is that Kiff stays for 08, and I'm guessing that if Al doesn't see quite a few deep balls and doesn't see us get to at least 7 wins, he of course will pull the plug.

I respect Al...but ****, the way he thinks is just fuked. I wish he'd stop livin in the 80's. You can't just go pick up another Jim Plunkett and think you're in superbowl contention. He don't even believe in...what is it HITMAN...team philosophy I think it is or just team chemistry...I can't remember.

I'm sorry, but if Al fires Kiffin now, or be4 or after the draft...I don't care WHO you are...If the Raiders wanted to talk to me I'd say FUK OFF! I can't believe that some players are still here. I tip my hat to Curry, Fargas, Burgess, and Nnamdi. I'm sure there is more, but just to name a few...they have stuck with the Raiders through all this...but HOW MUCH MORE CAN THEY TAKE? Another coach?

I respect your views and everyone elses, but I believe Kiffin is here for 08, and I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is

Your second question is probably one of the reasons, to prevent Kiffin from landing a job somewhere else... he's done the same thing with players, when they've been released, making it more difficult to land with another team.

Most of us hope Kiffin is around, but even if he is how much will the players believe him? how much support will he have from management? I think it's more difficult for a coach as a lame duck then just wiping the slate clean.

Some fans feel Kiffin being fired won't impact the team at all, and anytime you replace a coach that has changed some of the mindset with one viewed as a puppet, it's not always good especially when you have a team that's been on the down slide for 5 years...

[Magnusblitz]

There's the same obvious stuff about Davis being a problem in there, but all the Russell-related stuff is crap. There has never been any hard information that Kiffin didn't want Russell. And as for Russell being overweight and not working out in Oakland...no one has seen him, so how the hell would they know that he's overweight?!? And why the hell would he be in Oakland in the offseason - he lives in Alabama!