Schefter believes Lane Kiffin will return.......

[Gen_Man]

Originally Posted by _gg_

Lofton as receiver coach makes sense, that could still mean OC.
Saunders would be a catch for Al, but possibly St Louis might interest him? That seems open ended to me. Could still come here or go St louis.
Williams tho seems like he might end up at Tennessee from the Schefter report.
But I definitely agree that Harbaugh would be great.



Ryan and Kiffin both bumbled and fumbled about this year.
Russell is very important for sure, but does Al even think the WCO thru Kiffin is even gonna help him progress? Al would naturally want a more aggressive offense for a guy with that arm. If it was me, id be all for the play-action dominant game. I love play-action, think its the best passing device ever.
Cant compicate Russell either with MIT standard playbooks, but cannot question what saunders brings to the table.

There is no motion involved in Kiffin's offense, and that is a problem with todays NFL. His offense is very similar to that of SF, both struggle because they don't take advantage of what the strength of the players is; if Kiffin stays, he needs to delegate duties to an experience offensive coordinator that understands how attack NFL defenses of today. Lofton would be ideal based on coming from AFC W rival, and working with Turner and Cameron. While I don't think that much of the guys I mention as HC, both are good offensive coaches who understand mix and matching and getting the ball down filed. We didn't draft JR just to throw the ball once in awhile; no, the balls needs to go down field and we need to built a top flight pass blocking line to protect him.

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by _gg_

Lofton as receiver coach makes sense, that could still mean OC.
Saunders would be a catch for Al, but possibly St Louis might interest him? That seems open ended to me. Could still come here or go St louis.
Williams tho seems like he might end up at Tennessee from the Schefter report.
But I definitely agree that Harbaugh would be great.



Ryan and Kiffin both bumbled and fumbled about this year.
Russell is very important for sure, but does Al even think the WCO thru Kiffin is even gonna help him progress? Al would naturally want a more aggressive offense for a guy with that arm. If it was me, id be all for the play-action dominant game. I love play-action, think its the best passing device ever.
Cant compicate Russell either with MIT standard playbooks, but cannot question what saunders brings to the table.

The offensive system we got now is good enough its just that we didn't have the WRs to go deep or the Oline Tackle protection and Kiffin was really playing it conservative with the offense depending on the defense to be as "good" as it was the year before but that backfired big time.

Our offense isn't really a real WCO offense its a mixture of everything

[NEO]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

He probably said it cause Al Davis is suppose to be known to like the spot light during a Major NFL event

Which is the single root of the whole damn problem -- this guy ALWAYS wants the spotlight!

And man, when is he going to realize, that's its not about him, it should be about:

-providing an environment where JaMarcus Russell can thrive!
-where fans feel the stability of a once proud franchise.
-Oakland Raiders, and RaiderNation baby!

Not about a owner who has a crush on "I"....

[Raidermaiden]

Hope Shefty is right because the Bronco fans are getting ready to pounce all over Kiffin take a looksie http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=110661

[NEO]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

The offensive system we got now is good enough its just that we didn't have the WRs to go deep or the Oline Tackle protection and Kiffin was really playing it conservative with the offense depending on the defense to be as "good" as it was the year before but that backfired big time.

Our offense isn't really a real WCO offense its a mixture of everything

Agreed. Reminds me of Jacksonville. Very QB-friendly in that it eats the clock, minimize QB errors, turns the game over to your defense, and always puts the QB in a position to make a positive play.

From a scheme perspective, thats about as much as you can ask from a 1st year HC, and rookie QB.

Heck, Al Saunders, with his schemes tries to trick the secondary, and it comes back to bite him in the arse because young QB's by in large don't walk out of college with an ability to read complex defenses!

Kiffin's offense = ball control

Saunders offense = trick or treat!

[NEO]

Originally Posted by Raidermaiden

Hope Shefty is right because the Bronco fans are getting ready to pounce all over Kiffin take a looksie http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=110661

Been saying it for a month. Could certainly see him re-surface there. Only problem is that Shanahan would be bringing in his replacement! Would he do that?!?

[BlackHeart]

Originally Posted by Raidermaiden

Hope Shefty is right because the Bronco fans are getting ready to pounce all over Kiffin take a looksie http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=110661

Bronco fans ?? Oh you mean the guys who haven't came out of their barns since we beat them.

I can careless about them

May I add that there is no excuse to lose against the Chiefs or Broncos next season

[_gg_]

Originally Posted by Gen_Man

There is no motion involved in Kiffin's offense, and that is a problem with todays NFL. His offense is very similar to that of SF, both struggle because they don't take advantage of what the strength of the players is; if Kiffin stays, he needs to delegate duties to an experience offensive coordinator that understands how attack NFL defenses of today. Lofton would be ideal based on coming from AFC W rival, and working with Turner and Cameron. While I don't think that much of the guys I mention as HC, both are good offensive coaches who understand mix and matching and getting the ball down filed. We didn't draft JR just to throw the ball once in awhile; no, the balls needs to go down field and we need to built a top flight pass blocking line to protect him.

In another thread i pose the question that if kiffin was forced to stay due to the mexican stand-off then it could be the worst thing ever, because they'll continue to despise each other, and nag and have a go at each other, and ryan and kiffin too, and then you could have kiffin who just to give it back to al deliberately is destructive, the locker divided, and another shell-like type of dysfunction.
for the sake of the raiders moving forward, davis needs to find a way to remove kiffin (if thats what he wants) and let the new blood tackle the raiders job with zest and enthusiasm.

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

The offensive system we got now is good enough its just that we didn't have the WRs to go deep or the Oline Tackle protection and Kiffin was really playing it conservative with the offense depending on the defense to be as "good" as it was the year before but that backfired big time.

Our offense isn't really a real WCO offense its a mixture of everything

jack of all trades but master of none?
but i agree that we bring in explosive offensive capabilities/players while bettering our running game, that russell will improve. But i still think Russell is mis-cast as the rolling out precision passing WCO. Not saying he cant do it, but it doesnt highlight his strengths, which is more gunslinging and making stuff happen ad lib a la Favre. But russell getting schooled with all the technical mechanics and footwork is a good thing that he's learned this year.

[_gg_]

Originally Posted by NEO

Been saying it for a month. Could certainly see him re-surface there. Only problem is that Shanahan would be bringing in his replacement! Would he do that?!?

haha, i think shanahan and other men of authority will be scared for their lives bringing kiffin in now. as the nfl community knows a lot more inside info than fans do, i wonder if all this hurts kiffin's reputation too who would know more specifics of the situation than we do? i wonder if lane is screwed himself?

[CHAMPION316]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

Thanks alot that really helps

I know right..... well really this is one hell of a ride....

[Gen_Man]

Originally Posted by BlackHeart

The offensive system we got now is good enough its just that we didn't have the WRs to go deep or the Oline Tackle protection and Kiffin was really playing it conservative with the offense depending on the defense to be as "good" as it was the year before but that backfired big time.

Our offense isn't really a real WCO offense its a mixture of everything

You mean he was coaching scared. And based on what I saw, I don't think the playbook has that much depth, in fact, the book is very basic... I dont think you can call the system good based on the production of the offense during spurts of games.

[Raidermaiden]

Originally Posted by NEO

Been saying it for a month. Could certainly see him re-surface there. Only problem is that Shanahan would be bringing in his replacement! Would he do that?!?

I think Shanahan would bring him in, anything to twist the knife in Al Davis back, Shanahan is nearing retirement age.