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coloradoraider · #46 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 04:50 AM

Use new paragraphs and indentation. It is almost impossible to read that crap

Raider Loyalist · #47 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 04:55 AM

You know, ....understanding how much Al Davis loves the spotlight, and how he loves to win, coupled with the fact that he to is human....I think all posts that want to point out the bad decisions he may have made are rediculous. I would love to see some of the folks on this site do the job Mr. Davis has done for the length of time he has done it. The man wants to win, more than anything, and i think its pretty ****ty of people to bash him or critisize him. Do you not think he too, was totally embarrassed by the performance or lack thereof last season? I choose to accept the fact that he has made some bad decisions in the past, that hindsight is 20/20, and also that he continues to do what is going to give the Raiders the very best chance to have a winning season and succeed, to the best of his ability, just as i also choose to accept the fact that there are people on this website who insist on proving their ignorance time and time again!

Thankyou for the Oakland Raiders, Mr. Davis!

paul0660 · #48 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 05:28 AM

Loyalist, disagreeing with you does not show ignorance, it shows objective thinking. Of course hindsight is 20/20, but that is what what one gets for being in sports, criticism and analysis after the fact. Al isn't immune from criticism because we appreciate what he has done for the game, and if fact it is the difference between the first twenty or so years of his career and the more recent seasons that make some of us wonder if he has lost it, or if the game has changed beyond his comprehension.

As far as winning goes, there are many times that Al's ego and parsimony has
cost us games and playoff appearances. It's his team and dough, so I don't say that he doesn't have the right to be selectively cheap and also ditch talent, while signing mediocre players and hoping they are the next Gannon. But it is sort of our team too, and when there are glaring examples of ineptness on his part, you bet some of us are going to point them out.

Finally, this is a forum about the Raiders, and when we follow the rules we get to post. I long for the day after our next SB win, when there will be NO critical posts. (Except of course, for the inevitable concerns about salary cap hell). Until then, and especially as long as we are in the cellar, get used to people who passed on the koolaid and speak their mind.

**crizpynutz** · #49 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cheapshotartist

As long as Al Davis is still kicking he will be calling the shots! He will never change, ever! Until he croaks Al Davis will be running the Oakland Raiders and we will just have to take it with a grain of salt.

I gotta ask man, why is every post you make italicized and bold?

Anyway, you would be a fool to think that any 70+ year old person is going to simply change who they are. You'd be even more a fool if you believed a man like Al Davis who has been doing this for over 40 years would change all of a sudden. It's not all bad and you won't find an organization that is perfect for 40 years. Impossible.

Raider Loyalist · #50 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by paul0660

Loyalist, disagreeing with you does not show ignorance, it shows objective thinking.

I never said that disagreeing with me showed ignorance Paul. Ignorance doesnt speak to disagreement, it speaks to a lack of knowledge....if a person is ignorant of something...they simply dont know, they are not stupid, just uninformed. Also disagreeing with me, contrary to your words, does not necessarily show "objective thinking".

paul0660 · #51 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 06:42 AM

Ok Loyalist, I get it, your initial reference to ignorance had nothing to do with this discussion...........right?

I must say that I agree with your statement:

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and also that he continues to do what is going to give the Raiders the very best chance to have a winning season and succeed, to the best of his ability

only because you qualify it with "to the best of his ability". Al, hampered by a monster ego, surrounded by sychophants, and living in the past, is doing his best.

**0utlaw** · #52 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by paul0660

Ok Loyalist, I get it, your initial reference to ignorance had nothing to do with this discussion...........right?

I must say that I agree with your statement:

only because you qualify it with "to the best of his ability". Al, hampered by a monster ego, surrounded by sychophants, and living in the past, is doing his best.

What about Amy Trask tells you she's a "sychophant" or some time of "yes-man" err. "yes-woman"..

MaddenRaider · #53 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Sac*City*Raider

We have had the most interesting and exciting offseason. I don't know one person, inside the nation or out, that isn't at all intrigued by what we will put out on the field in september.

Who said they weren't "at all" intrigued?

I'm intrigued by what we have this season, believe me. But I'm still skeptical of Al Davis' managerial skills.

**HITMAN** · #54 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 0utlaw

What about Amy Trask tells you she's a "sychophant" or some time of "yes-man" err. "yes-woman"..

I would say she's always been about pleasing Davis... I mean she even acts like him...

MaddenRaider · #55 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by paul0660

Ok Loyalist, I get it, your initial reference to ignorance had nothing to do with this discussion...........right?

I must say that I agree with your statement:

only because you qualify it with "to the best of his ability". Al, hampered by a monster ego, surrounded by sychophants, and living in the past, is doing his best.

LOL.

I never got the "doing his best" thing, either.

That's something you say about a performer in the special olympics, not an owner of a professional sports franchise.

In the professional world, doing one's best doesn't mean anything. Results are all that counts.

**HITMAN** · #56 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MaddenRaider

LOL.

I never got the "doing his best" thing, either.

That's something you say about a performer in the special olympics, not an owner of a professional sports franchise.

In the professional world, doing one's best doesn't mean anything. Results are all that counts.

At least that's what we are led to believe... that may or may not be the case! who knows!

**the_new_Jerry** · #57 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MaddenRaider

That's true.

But we've been here, before.

Either Kiffin will win, or he'll be a bust. That's the easy part. But if he wins? He'll want more money. He'll want more control. Other teams will be willing to give him that. Will Al match them, in regards to both salary and control? Or will it be another Gruden fiasco? How much could Al have possibly changed, in this regard?

But, you're right. We're in a good position right now. So, let's just savor the moment. But, with Al, a huge dark cloud always looms. And, it's not a silver and black one. It's just a dark cloud, like overcast. LOL.

Thats the most positive AL related response I have ever seen you make!

and I appreaciate it...

paul0660 · #58 (**permalink**) 08-09-2007, 12:14 PM

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Either Kiffin will win, or he'll be a bust. That's the easy part. But if he wins? He'll want more money. He'll want more control. Other teams will be willing to give him that. Will Al match them, in regards to both salary and control? Or will it be another Gruden fiasco? How much could Al have possibly changed, in this regard?

Let the season begin. I DO believe in luck, so lets get lucky. See you in September.