It's Not J-Rock's Fault!!!

[vegasraider26]

Originally Posted by Blackened

I got nothin'...

lol

[southshield]

I don't know what the big deal is. If I had the chance to make 30 or possibly 35 million guaranteed, I would wait it out too. I don't fault Russell or his agents in trying to get him as much money as possible.

[Canadian Raider]

Regardless of whether he is to blame for the holdout (which I believe he ultimately is, based on general accountability), there is absolutely no reason why he couldn't be in the Bay area and show commitment to the process.
I find it completely unprofessional and disrespectful to the team for him to be staying at home on the other side of the continent. Calvin Johnson stayed in the Detroit area..when the deal was done, he was instantly available to work!
If he was really such an exceptional future leader of the team, he should be in town and pushing for the negotiations to move forward and working on gaining the respect of his teammates.
In his defence, maybe his hometown has a former NFL center residing there and is teaching him how to take snaps at the line of scrimmage.

[asburysoccer]

Originally Posted by yayarea_raider

well maybe I don't, but he wants to ****ING PLAY ALRIGHT! I still don't get y the hate is on RUSSELL and not his agents...everyone seems to think that it is J-Rock who is holding out for more money. NOW THAT'S VERY ****ING SILLY! i mean are u a raider fan? do u support Lane Kiffin? Becuz if you support Kiffin u support Russell. plus, we shouldn't be complaining about getting Russell into camp when he isn't even in the ****ing mix for the starting position! He'll get there, just give it time...

Umm...yes I think we all support Lane Kiffin, JaMarcus Russell and the entire Raider org. but "support" does not go hand in hand with blindly believing that each and every Raider player/staff member is blameless in every way possible.

Supporting your team means rooting for them to win in the rebuilding phase, celebrating your team's storied past, and looking forward to the future of the team. I support the team, Kiffin, and Russell, but that doesn't mean I have to believe that Russell is doing the right thing here and his agents are 100% to blame.

Check out of your JaMarcus Russell love affair for a moment and see the big picture, bro! If you truly support the Oakland Raiders, you will see that this more than likely hurts the team as a whole more than it could ever help.

[OWShaddock]

Originally Posted by southshield

I don't know what the big deal is. If I had the chance to make 30 or possibly 35 million guaranteed, I would wait it out too. I don't fault Russell or his agents in trying to get him as much money as possible.

Why stop at $35 million? Why not sit out for $40 million? How about $50 million?

At what point do he and his agents decide:

a) to fit their demands within the historical numbers for draft picks. That means not seeking a 32 percent increase over the previous year's #1 and a 27 percent spread between himself and the #2 overall pick.

b) being in camp and learning the NFL game is more important to his future as a player - and his future earnings - than getting a few extra million guaranteed today.

Sorry, but their stance reeks of insecurity.
They want the money tied up in an option bonus because they fear JR might fail on or off the field.
They want as much as they can now because they fear their might not be a bigger pay day down the road.
His agents in particular fear that if they don't make a earth-shattering deal now, they'll never again have a shot to represent a top five pick.

Red flags are popping up all over the place and the people who continue to say that Russell is blameless or that this is no big deal are acting like ostriches.
If the Raiders were lowballing him, I'd understand his position and his holdout. But that apparently is not the case, so I'm not willing to cut him much slack here.

[OAKRAIDLAND]

Originally Posted by Blackened

Absurd. His agents work for him, and it's their job to carry out his wishes. If he wanted to accept

the current proposal and get his ass into camp, it's as simple as a phone call.

exactly!!!!

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by OWShaddock

Why stop at $35 million? Why not sit out for $40 million? How about $50 million?

At what point do he and his agents decide:

a) to fit their demands within the historical numbers for draft picks. That means not seeking a 32 percent increase over the previous year's #1 and a 27 percent spread between himself and the #2 overall pick.

b) being in camp and learning the NFL game is more important to his future as a player - and his future earnings - than getting a few extra million guaranteed today.

Sorry, but their stance reeks of insecurity.
They want the money tied up in an option bonus because they fear JR might fail on or off the field.
They want as much as they can now because they fear their might not be a bigger pay day down the road.
His agents in particular fear that if they don't make a earth-shattering deal now, they'll never again have a shot to represent a top five pick.

Red flags are popping up all over the place and the people who continue to say that Russell is blameless or that this is no big deal are acting like ostriches.
If the Raiders were lowballing him, I'd understand his position and his holdout. But that apparently is not the case, so I'm not willing to cut him much slack here.

good post.

[gdamac]

I'm in the JR bandwagon as mush as anyone, but I'll feel a lot better when he's signed.

[OAKRAIDLAND]

At what point do he and his agents decide:

a) to fit their demands within the historical numbers for draft picks. That means not seeking a 32 percent increase over the previous year's #1 and a 27 percent spread between himself and the #2 overall pick.

b) being in camp and learning the NFL game is more important to his future as a player - and his future earnings - than getting a few extra million guaranteed today.

Sorry, but their stance reeks of insecurity.
They want the money tied up in an option bonus because they fear JR might fail on or off the field.
They want as much as they can now because they fear their might not be a bigger pay day down the road.
His agents in particular fear that if they don't make a earth-shattering deal now, they'll never again have a shot to represent a top five pick.

Red flags are popping up all over the place and the people who continue to say that Russell is blameless or that this is no big deal are acting like ostriches.
If the Raiders were lowballing him, I'd understand his position and his holdout. But that apparently is not the case, so I'm not willing to cut him much slack here.

[/quote]
I totally agree on the red flags. Why else would they be fighting the "pay-back" options? I have never been real sure of Russell, all of this makes me more worried.

[_gg_]

OWShaddock has said it perfectly multiple times in this and other threads.

My opinion is, tho, to hell with Jamarcus. I don't want a player who stands-over the team with unreasonable delusional demands. I'd rather we spend that $30-$35M elsewhere on players with a little more integrity, with half the potential but twice the character/heart/work-ethic.

[billwilliams70]

Originally Posted by yayarea_raider

What is all this hate around here all of the sudden for J-Rock? just becuz his agents are ****ed doesn't mean he is. he's keeping himself in shape, has a copy of the playbook, but of course doesn't get to do anything on the field or study films and ****. BUT IT'S NOT HIS FAULT HE'S NOT SIGNED!!! seriously, a LOT of people on this website are acting stupid. but even if he got signed tomorrow, he's still not going to start week 1, and we have 3 Qb's in camp...SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM??? sure i'd love for Russell to be in camp just like everyone else, but it's out of J-Rock's and our hands. Him not being signed yet is due to his agents, NOT HIM

*and there is no way he switches agents becuz it would take even longer...STOP HATING RUSSELL NATION HE'S THE FUTURE!!!

I'm not gonna get into it too much more.....but, his agent works for him, it's not the other way around.

I have no concerns with him not being in shape and ready to be on the field.....I have issue with the principal of the holdout. Money.

Later.

[C2X]

Matt Leinart held out last year until August 16th. WHY ON EARTH IS EVERYONE FREAKING OUT! Did you honestly think he was going to start week 1? By the end of this coming season you will have all forgotten that J-Rock missed two weeks of practice. J-Rock is the future, and he will be here soon enough. How would you feel if you were Jet fan and your 14th pick in the draft was still holding out?

[yayarea_raider]

Originally Posted by C2X

Matt Leinart helt out last year until August 16th. WHY ON EARTH IS EVERYONE FREAKING OUT! Did you honestly think he was going to start week 1? By the end of this coming season you will have all forgotten that J-Rock missed two weeks of practice. J-Rock is the future, and he will be here soon enough. How would you feel if you were Jet fan and your 14th pick in the draft was still holding out?

THANK YOU! THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN MEANING TO SAY ALL ALONG...

[Raider Ran]

Originally Posted by C2X

Matt Leinart helt out last year until August 16th. WHY ON EARTH IS EVERYONE FREAKING OUT! Did you honestly think he was going to start week 1? By the end of this coming season you will have all forgotten that J-Rock missed two weeks of practice. J-Rock is the future, and he will be here soon enough. How would you feel if you were Jet fan and your 14th pick in the draft was still holding out?

Russell will not play at all this year.

[sundeep]

Originally Posted by yayarea_raider

What is all this hate around here all of the sudden for J-Rock? just becuz his agents are ****ed doesn't mean he is. he's keeping himself in shape, has a copy of the playbook, but of course doesn't get to do anything on the field or study films and ****. BUT IT'S NOT HIS FAULT HE'S NOT SIGNED!!! seriously, a LOT of people on this website are acting stupid. but even if he got signed tomorrow, he's still not going to start week 1, and we have 3 Qb's in camp...SO WHAT'S THE PROBLEM??? sure i'd love for Russell to be in camp just like everyone else, but it's out of J-Rock's and our hands. Him not being signed yet is due to his agents, NOT HIM

*and there is no way he switches agents becuz it would take even longer...STOP HATING RUSSELL NATION HE'S THE FUTURE!!!

I think we all need to just step back for a second, take a deep breath, and try to see the big picture.

You know you'd all be trying to get people to not hate Jamarcus too if you had a picture of yourself sporting his jersey...

Don't even lie to yourself, you know you would too...lol

Seriously though, it's just not cool to holdout when there's a fair offer on the table, I mean to expect Peyton Manning money for three years of college ball, give me a break.