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Defensive Schemes (3-4, 4-3, 4-6)

The "3-4" Defense

The 3-4 defense is making a comeback in the NFL. Teams like the Steelers, Baltimore Ravens and the Super Bowl champion Patriots are all using it successfully. Other teams like the New York Jets and San Francisco 49ers are attempting to install a similar style this offseason. The basic formation was devised by head coach Bud Wilkinson at the University of Oklahoma in the late 1940s. The alignment features three down lineman and four linebackers in the front seven, thus the name 3-4.

The three down lineman are generally giant run stuffing tackles, whose entire job is to keep the offensive line off of the linebackers. The most important down lineman is the nose guard, who lines up directly over the center and controls the middle of the field. Any pass rush received from the front three is a bonus.

The four linebackers are the heart and soul of this defense. They have to make plays both against the run and rushing the passer for this scheme to be successful. Usually teams will employ a rush linebacker, who is basically a stand-up defensive end, to continually apply pressure to the quarterback. The 3-4 alignment is an attacking style of defense and utilizes quite a few blitz packages to apply pressure. Teams are frequently using zone blitz schemes to add confusion to their blitz packages. This confusion can make a difference, even if the blitzer does not reach the quarterback.

If the linebacking corps is the heart-and-soul of a 3-4 alignment, the secondary is its backbone. Whether they use man-to-man or zone coverage this defense is only as good as the playmakers in the defensive secondary. The secondary faces a lot of pressure behind a 3-4 alignment. With the amount of blitzing utilized by the front seven, the defensive backfield is always on an island. The cornerbacks and safeties can use multiple coverages and alignments but are constantly in the spotlight if the linebacking corps fails to generate enough pressure on the quarterback. Teams that like to attack on defense usually use a "Cover 1" and "Cover 0" alignment. These are both man-to-man pass defenses that allow the team to place maximum pressure on a quarterback.

In "Cover 1" a fifth pass-rusher is added and there's a safety stationed in the middle of the field to help the cornerbacks cover deep routes. In "Cover 0", a sixth rusher is added and the safety is subtracted from the middle of the field.

Teams that utilize the 3-4 alignment believe in attacking the offense. The pressure and confusion generated by the blitz combinations can devastate even the most poised quarterback. However, with the specific player attributes required, it is one of the tougher alignments to find the proper personnel to run successfully.

Teams heading into the 2004 season who utilize this form of defense include: New England, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Houston, Oakland and San Diego, with the Patriots and Raiders often switching their fronts between 3-4 and 4-3.

The "4-3" Defense

At this time, 26 NFL teams utilize a 4-3 defensive scheme. There are multiple coverage combinations that can be in play behind the front seven. Teams like the Indianapolis Colts and Tampa Bay Buccaneers use the 4-3 "Cover 2" system which is fast becoming the defense of choice in a lot of NFL cities.

Any 4-3 scheme, whether "Cover 2" or not is based on speed. Unlike the 3-4 system where the defensive linemen are tackles used to keep the linebackers free, the down linemen are the heart-and-soul of a 4-3 defense. There are similarities between the defenses though. Usually one of the two interior defensive tackles is a mammoth run stuffer that is used to clog the middle of the field. The other three defensive linemen provide the bulk of the pass rush for the defense. Teams that have a dominating front-four don't have to blitz to generate a pass rush and can utilize their three linebackers and four secondary members to defend the pass. Any 4-3 system uses smaller quicker defensive ends and tackles to aid in their pass rush. Developing a strong front four is critical in using any 4-3 scheme.

With the "Cover 2" scheme becoming so popular, people may ask, what exactly the "Cover 2" is. "Cover 2" is a pass-defense for teams with strong defensive linemen who don't require helping either rushing the passer or stuffing the run. It all starts with stopping the run with your down linemen because you don't have that eighth man in the box to help against the run.

By now, most everyone has heard of the term "Cover 2". Even though Tony Dungy made it a household name during his stint in Tampa Bay, the "Cover 2" was being played in the NFL long before Dungy was even a player in the league. It is one of the simplest alignments in football and it helps mask team liabilities in some areas. The basic principle is: Two half-field defenders and five guys underneath.

In "Cover 2", the two safeties are positioned deep and just outside the hash marks. Each safety is responsible for his deep half of the field. The underneath coverage consists of two corner backs responsible for jamming the wide receivers at the line of scrimmage. These cornerbacks fall into a zone coverage in the flat area. The three linebackers drop into a zone across the middle of the field, forming a line of defenders about 10 yards deep.

The basic idea of the defense is to eliminate the deep passing game by forcing teams to use their underneath or check down routes. The cornerbacks MUST get a good jam on the wide receivers to ensure proper defensive alignment.

This can be a great defensive system if the team has the personnel to utilize it. Finding the right defensive linemen for this scheme is one of the hardest things scouts and coaches have to do. The linemen must have a solid combination of size and quickness for this alignment to be successful.

Another popular coverage scheme is the "Cover 3" defense. In a "Cover 3" alignment one safety joins the two cornerbacks to form a three-deep alignment.

The other safety moves up and becomes the eighth man in the box. This gives the team one less underneath pass defender but does aid in stopping the run. Although this is one of the more conservative alignments on the defensive side of the ball, it is effective against both the run and the pass.

The "46" Defense

Teams like the Tennessee Titans and Philadelphia Eagles use a somewhat scaled down version of the famed "Bears 46 defense". Likely, anyone old enough remembers the dominating 46 defense used during the Bears' Super Bowl run in 1986. And for those who do not remember it, it is quite likely you have witnessed some variation of it in today's NFL.

Created by defensive coordinator Buddy Ryan the 46 defense evolved into a blitzing pass defense that sometimes left only three men in pass coverage. It was a high risk, high-reward defense designed to intimate and dominate offenses. In the 46, there were potentially eight pass rushers close to the line of scrimmage, and the blitzers would come from a variety of positions on the field.

The defensive line must be able to control offensive line, or use speed blow right past them. Between the defensive line and blitzers, quarterbacks must quickly check down to alternate receivers to be successful.

The most important element of a 46 defense is the secondary. Given the do-or-die nature of blitzing, the defensive backs are under constant pressure, they must be able to play bump-and-run and man-to-man coverage throughout the game, or the scheme will not succeed.

This super aggressive defense creates confusion and chaos. When there is a lot of confusion on the offensive side of the ball usually the defense wins.


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So..... that's why all the fuss about Sapp playing DE in the 4-3? He's huge but doesn't provide much pass rush?
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So..... that's why all the fuss about Sapp playing DE in the 4-3? He's huge but doesn't provide much pass rush?

Sapp always played in a 4-3 defense... He's used to having a defensive end on the outside of him... He was new to the position last year and wasn't effective at all as an end... He should go back to being a tackle...

It's almost like asking that Gallery kid to play center instead of tackle...
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This is interesting. A lil complicated, I may have to read it a few times to get it.... lol This 3-4 and 4-3 always confused me. That 46 defense sounds cool. Wow, this is great....Thanx B
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This is interesting. A lil complicated, I may have to read it a few times to get it.... lol This 3-4 and 4-3 always confused me. That 46 defense sounds cool. Wow, this is great....Thanx B

3-4 = 3 defensive lineman, 4 linebackers
4-3 = 4 defensive lineman, 3 linebackers

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So..... that's why all the fuss about Sapp playing DE in the 4-3? He's huge but doesn't provide much pass rush?
Ya, sorta.

Defensive End (DE) also has more responsibilities... some being outside of Warren Sapp's style of play.

At Warren Sapp's usual position Defensive Tackle (DT)... his major job is to secure and control the Inside of the Offensive line (usually set for your Bigger/slower/more durable players). This job means Making sure he never gives up ground to the Offensive line men, distract/take on as many offensive line men as possible, and try to force the ball carrier to hesitate behind the line. His new job at DE forces a guy who is usually trying to hold his ground to move around a lot more and make decisions he isnt used to making.

At DE his major job is to control the outside of the line (usually set for faster, quicker, more aware Tackles)... he has more than just a major job. DE is asked to apply pressure to the Outside of the line (which usually means using quickness to get around the Offensive line forcing the ball carrier back inside. Quickness Sapp doesnt have) but a DE is also asked to flow down the line of scrimmage... follow the ball.

This contradicts the DT position (Warren Sapps usual position) which asked them to maintain positon... Sapp should definately move back to DT.
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As for Sapp, he definetly is suited to be a DT and may be used as a DE from time to time to confuse the opposing offense. The problem is, Sapp had quickness before but he seemed to have lost a step the last two seasons. I remember during his prime where he was capable of running a RB down laterally, from sideline to sideline. He does not have that ability any more IMO and would be well suited to a DT postition in the 4-3 and a reserve at both tackle and end in the 3-4.
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Ya, sorta.

Defensive End (DE) also has more responsibilities... some being outside of Warren Sapp's style of play.

At Warren Sapp's usual position Defensive Tackle (DT)... his major job is to secure and control the Inside of the Offensive line (usually set for your Bigger/slower/more durable players). This job means Making sure he never gives up ground to the Offensive line men, distract/take on as many offensive line men as possible, and try to force the ball carrier to hesitate behind the line. His new job at DE forces a guy who is usually trying to hold his ground to move around a lot more and make decisions he isnt used to making.

At DE his major job is to control the outside of the line (usually set for faster, quicker, more aware Tackles)... he has more than just a major job. DE is asked to apply pressure to the Outside of the line (which usually means using quickness to get around the Offensive line forcing the ball carrier back inside. Quickness Sapp doesnt have) but a DE is also asked to flow down the line of scrimmage... follow the ball.

This contradicts the DT position (Warren Sapps usual position) which asked them to maintain positon... Sapp should definately move back to DT.
Not really!

In Tampa bay Sapp played the "under tackle" which lines up between the guard and tackle to the TE side. The other Tackle is shaded on the center (almost a noseguard) away from the TE.

Sapp's job in Tampa's D was NOT to occupy blockers but to split the guard / tackle gap and create havoc in the backfield. He had one gap responsibility.
That is why he was such a force for so many years. He was constantly in the backfield.

If Tampa ran the classic 4-3 like you say, Sapp would have fit our 3-4 just fine. The fact is Sapp is used to avoiding blockers not taking them on.

In lots of cases teams run the 4-3 as you indicated but not Tampa Bay.

I know because I ran this defence for 8 years at highschool.

In the Raiders 3-4 last year he was head up the Offensive tackle and asked to control the tackle and had two gap responsibility. (left and right of the tackle)So he can't penetrate because he has to be able to get to either gap.

In the 3-4 It is usually the linebackers that are asked to apply ouside pressure.
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