Harsh Words about Quinn

[mojobeast4694]

He played in a great system, but what did he win???

Thats your comparison? Thats bad if it is.

[Snoop750]

Thats your comparison? Thats bad if it is.

Just a simple question....Funny that the topic was diverted. I mean, if people want to hype quinn up, back it up with something.

So I ask again...Yeah the guy has played in a Great system, but what did he win???

Quinn & harrington are similar in physical tools, but also because they are a product of hype. What have either of them won. Harrington was all hype and how did that turn out in the NFL. If quinn is so different then please explain what has he won OR even done. To use stats also would be funny, stats are made to be broken, plus dont mean sh*t once you get to the league, NFL!!!!!

[OWShaddock]

Just a simple question....Funny that the topic was diverted. I mean, if people want to hype quinn up, back it up with something.

So I ask again...Yeah the guy has played in a Great system, but what did he win???

He won as many National championships as JaMarcus Russell and Peyton Manning combined.
What did Donovan McNabb win?
What did Drew Brees win?
What did John Elway win?

I could continue, if you like, but the point I hope you're grasping is that one's won-loss record in college has no bearing whatsoever on NFL success. John Elway had a 20-23 record as a starter at Stanford. Didn't put much of a damper on his pro career, did it?

But I will say this ...Brady Quinn took over a program that had played in one major bowl game in eight years and led them to back-to-back BCS appearances. Not all that bad, really.
Where was LSU when Russell took over and where were they when he left? Better off or worse?

[Snoop750]

He won as many National championships as JaMarcus Russell and Peyton Manning combined.
What did Donovan McNabb win?
What did Drew Brees win?
What did John Elway win?

I could continue, if you like, but the point I hope you're grasping is that one's won-loss record in college has no bearing whatsoever on NFL success. John Elway had a 20-23 record as a starter at Stanford. Didn't put much of a damper on his pro career, did it?

But I will say this ...Brady Quinn took over a program that had played in one major bowl game in eight years and led them to back-to-back BCS appearances. Not all that bad, really.
Where was LSU when Russell took over and where were they when he left? Better off or worse?

Did he do that or did the system & Charlie Weiss do that. Lets see what Jimmy Clausen does underneath Weiss. To say notre dame' success was due largely because of quinn is wrong, it's because Weiss the ne's superbowl coordinator took over the system. Lets just see if notre dame's success declines because quinn is gone, or continues because the system in place.

As for LSU, I believe they're in the same spot as they were before. They've got great talent and should continue doing well. It's not JaMarcus' fault that he wants to turn pro. If JaMarcus stayed at LSU, you tell me would they be better off, or would they decline. Seems to me they could be a favorite to win it all, if Russell stayed in college.

[txraiderfan]

I would actually consider it more of an Aaron Rogers treatment.

Predicted to be in the top five just one week before the draft and sliding to the end of the first round to be picked up as a "safety" pick just in case the starting QB retires (ever) during the offseason.

Now he has no chance of showing anything in a game except for one half of a meaningless game where he played with a foot broken on his first drive. He showed toughness but not much else. Bench rust is pretty rough as Phillip Rivers showed it bad when Brees got hurt and he came in. Training as the starter in the offseason improved him greatly.

As to Quinn and Russell, the original argument is still the best.
If a FA QB hasn't gotten it done with the current OL and back situation then what chance would a rookie who is used to college defenses have.
And Russell is not Vince Young, mobility will not save him.

Alex Smith got some protection last year and showed huge signs of improvement but year one was a total joke. Vince Young has only stayed alive in Tenn. because of his legs and Leinhart has already been injured even with a decent line.

We are in the same boat as the niners were two years ago, no QB, no OL and no backs to keep the D's honest. An improvement at TE would be helpful but should be low on the offensive priority list.

These are opinions take them for what you will. I don't want a QB drafted first as I believe Russell and Quinn are in for a long, nasty ride while they feel out the NFL for a couple of seasons. A good line and receivers make a decent QB great and a great QB into a superstar.
Troy Aikman is one good example. When that line started coming apart his career hit the tiolet fast. Steve Young also had great tools to work with for many of his years.

[OWShaddock]

Did he do that or did the system & Charlie Weiss do that. Lets see what Jimmy Clausen does underneath Weiss. To say notre dame' success was due largely because of quinn is wrong, it's because Weiss the ne's superbowl coordinator took over the system. Lets just see if notre dame's success declines because quinn is gone, or continues because the system in place.

As for LSU, I believe they're in the same spot as they were before. They've got great talent and should continue doing well. It's not JaMarcus' fault that he wants to turn pro. If JaMarcus stayed at LSU, you tell me would they be better off, or would they decline. Seems to me they could be a favorite to win it all, if Russell stayed in college.

Hmmm ... you're argument seems to be:

Weis has a proven, successful system, therefore Quinn and all his production must be a product of it.
LSU has a proven, successful system, but Russell and all his production are not products of it.
Where's the consistency?

[R41D3R5]

These folks are cold, calling Just Quinn Baby a fraud. He is a top 10 talent, in the lower half of the top 10 region.

[Snoop750]

Hmmm ... you're argument seems to be:

Weis has a proven, successful system, therefore Quinn and all his production must be a product of it.
LSU has a proven, successful system, but Russell and all his production are not products of it.
Where's the consistency?

That's a nice Twist, if you want to look at it that way. That's not what I was saying at all. Question was: Where was LSU before JaMarcus got there, and where are they now. Same scenario as notre dame, but if you read YOUR post, I guess notre dame would be worse off right??? Seeing how quinn is leaving. Read both our posts over again, who is actually saying their college is in worse shape???

But I will say this ...Brady Quinn took over a program that had played in one major bowl game in eight years and led them to back-to-back BCS appearances. Not all that bad, really.
Where was LSU when Russell took over and where were they when he left? Better off or worse?

"As for LSU, I believe they're in the same spot as they were before. They've got great talent and should continue doing well. It's not JaMarcus' fault that he wants to turn pro. If JaMarcus stayed at LSU, you tell me would they be better off, or would they decline. Seems to me they could be a favorite to win it all, if Russell stayed in college."

[OWShaddock]

That's a nice Twist, if you want to look at it that way. That's not what I was saying at all. Question was: Where was LSU before JaMarcus got there, and where are they now. Same scenario as notre dame, but if you read YOUR post, I guess notre dame would be worse off right??? Seeing how quinn is leaving. Read both our posts over again, who is actually saying their college is in worse shape???

Yes, I believe Notre Dame would have been far worse off the past two seasons without Brady Quinn. You don't?

[Snoop750]

Yes, I believe Notre Dame would have been far worse off the past two seasons without Brady Quinn. You don't?

I think Jimmy Clausen will answer that question. Considering that Charlie Weiss implamented a system that was successful in the NFL, I think most QB's will succeed under the guy. Then you throw in the fact that Weiss worked with brady, and we'll see. I expect Clausen to do very well under weiss, I think most QB's that Weiss selects to play for him will.


*****You never answered my question in the troy smith thread.

[OWShaddock]

I think Jimmy Clausen will answer that question. Considering that Charlie Weiss implamented a system that was successful in the NFL, I think most QB's will succeed under the guy. Then you throw in the fact that Weiss worked with brady, and we'll see. I expect Clausen to do very well under weiss, I think most QB's that Weiss selects to play for him will.

Well, it would hardly be a surprise if the #1 ranked high school quarterback in the country (and some say #1 player overall) fares well, would it? But it would be a longshot to say he'll twice be a Heisman finalist.

*****You never answered my question in the troy smith thread.

I'll get to it eventually.

[Snoop750]

Well, it would hardly be a surprise if the #1 ranked high school quarterback in the country (and some say #1 player overall) fares well, would it? But it would be a longshot to say he'll twice be a Heisman finalist.

Who cares about being a finalist, the guy might Win the award. As you say he is coming into the college ranks ranked the #1 QB. Doesnt matter if your a finalist, if you actually Win the award.

[OWShaddock]

Who cares about being a finalist, the guy might Win the award. As you say he is coming into the college ranks ranked the #1 QB. Doesnt matter if your a finalist, if you actually Win the award.

I think twice being a finalist is illustrative of a great college career. To say it means nothing is kind of short-sighted.

[Lightning Storm]

this article was on sport!ngnews.com's website regarding Brady Quinn. is he getting the Matt Leinart treatment?




The words couldn't be harsher. "He's the biggest fraud in the draft," an NFL scout says of Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn. The scout is not a lone wolf howling into the wind.

Of all the risers and fallers on this year's draft charts, Quinn certainly is the most provocative. He entered his senior season as the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow--a seemingly brilliant quarterback with near-ideal size (6-3, 225), textbook form and, thanks to the teachings of Charlie Weis, an unmatched pedigree. He was the No. 1 overall pick in waiting--at the least a sure bet to be the top QB taken. But the book on Quinn is being rewritten.

Quinn has an excellent chance to be selected in the first round--many still have him pegged for the top 10--but he is on a slippery slope. The Pro Football War Room lists his NFL comparison as Joey Harrington. Two scouts who cover Notre Dame for NFL teams believe Quinn should be a third- or fourth-round pick. They represent an extreme point of view, but they have studied Quinn's game at close range for years and are part of a growing group of talent evaluators who question his arm strength and accuracy on deep and intermediate routes.

The most surprising criticism: Some scouts say Quinn--often painted as the perfect leader during his time in South Bend--wilts when the going gets tough. Ironically, Quinn has been passed on most draft boards by LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell, who faced unrelenting criticism in college for wilting when the going got tough.

Russell is 6-6, 260, with an arm as strong as any in the NFL. No matter what he shows in individual workouts, he'll have that arm and scouts will froth. Quinn likely will be highly selective with his workouts, and when he does perform for scouts, he'll be under intense pressure. It's a difficult and unexpected reality for a 22-year-old who played with such grace--and guts--in his college career.

The scouting season has reached a furious boil. Sadly, Quinn's goose may be cooking.

I said this another post he has not won any big games all the big games he has been in Quinn has lost I know its a team sport but this guy just does not seem like he can do it crushed by USC again Michigan, and LSU just this year but he beat up on Army,Navy and Air Force

[mojobeast4694]

Did he do that or did the system & Charlie Weiss do that. Lets see what Jimmy Clausen does underneath Weiss. To say notre dame' success was due largely because of quinn is wrong, it's because Weiss the ne's superbowl coordinator took over the system. Lets just see if notre dame's success declines because quinn is gone, or continues because the system in place.

As for LSU, I believe they're in the same spot as they were before. They've got great talent and should continue doing well. It's not JaMarcus' fault that he wants to turn pro. If JaMarcus stayed at LSU, you tell me would they be better off, or would they decline. Seems to me they could be a favorite to win it all, if Russell stayed in college.

Charlie Weis has even said that ND has a huge hole to fill with the loss of Quinn, hes said that Quinn has lead them to where they are now.

Quinn was coached, why is it a negative thing to be well coached these days?