A question to some of you.

[Swoosh23]

OK I know some mock drafts and what not have come out and alot of us have our own rankings of players and what not.

My question is this.. why do some people feel like the best players at their position will not be drafted in the first round or the high second? Now I know some positions like FB are usually later round picks so thats not what I mean, but at skill positions.. my biggest examples are TE Greg Olsen..probably the best TE in the draft, a te has gone in the first round the past few years, yet most people talking about him here have him as a 3rd round pick. Then I can mention his teammate S Brandon Merriweather, probably the top saftey in the draft and people have him dropping to the third or 4th round. To me thats just crazy, I know right now its sorta a mute point because combines and team needs havent been addressed but I was wondering how some people get so low values on players that are 1st round type talents.

[The Blackness]

Originally Posted by Swoosh23

OK I know some mock drafts and what not have come out and alot of us have our own rankings of players and what not.

My question is this.. why do some people feel like the best players at their position will not be drafted in the first round or the high second? Now I know some positions like FB are usually later round picks so thats not what I mean, but at skill positions.. my biggest examples are TE Greg Olsen..probably the best TE in the draft, a te has gone in the first round the past few years, yet most people talking about him here have him as a 3rd round pick. Then I can mention his teammate S Brandon Merriweather, probably the top saftey in the draft and people have him dropping to the third or 4th round. To me thats just crazy, I know right now its sorta a mute point because combines and team needs havent been addressed but I was wondering how some people get so low values on players that are 1st round type talents.

I cannot fully answer your questions but I will say this.IMO, Olsen & Miller will be 1st rd selections,period.As for Merriwether, hell go somewhere between 2nd-3rd.I say this is b/c he has character issues.If it wasn't for that, he'd probably be a 1st rd selection.

[YoungLegend]

Team Needs.. i dont see G.Olsen going in the first round.. no team needs a TE in the first... Mid 2nd round yeah...

Brandon Merriweather character reasons ... and its a deep Safety class and teams draft players that dont have Character problems..because if you dont do that then your team looks like the bengals.. im not saying he is going to be around in the 4th.. he was a first round pick.. before everything happend and now is a mid 2nd...

[Trojan Raider]

11 Positiions on Offense
11 Positions on Defense
22 Overall that start!!!!!!

Need to take into consideration the team needs but probably more importantly the positions that are considered key for NFL success.......like QB, RB, LT

Looking at skill position players alone on offense, You have three possible 1st round QB selections, RB has three possible 1st round selections, WR has possibly five to six 1st round selections.........and thats just skill players on offense.

Take into consideration how many 1st round picks teams will use to fix up their Offensive and Defensive lines, which will be a lot, its easy to see why talented players can fall to the second round, and possibly even the third.

I agree with some of the others, I can see Olsen going in the second just because of team needs and overall talent in other areas. Brandon Merriweather could slip mostly because of character issues, and nothing to do with his talent level.

[Swoosh23]

Originally Posted by The Blackness

I cannot fully answer your questions but I will say this.IMO, Olsen & Miller will be 1st rd selections,period.As for Merriwether, hell go somewhere between 2nd-3rd.I say this is b/c he has character issues.If it wasn't for that, he'd probably be a 1st rd selection.

Originally Posted by LaMontJordan34

Team Needs.. i dont see G.Olsen going in the first round.. no team needs a TE in the first... Mid 2nd round yeah...

Brandon Merriweather character reasons ... and its a deep Safety class and teams draft players that dont have Character problems..because if you dont do that then your team looks like the bengals.. im not saying he is going to be around in the 4th.. he was a first round pick.. before everything happend and now is a mid 2nd...

Thats what I was thinking as well, but I do believe that with the combine some of those may change, and I know TE isnt a big need position for some teams, but I have a feeling that with workouts and things some people will go hirer up in the boards.

[BoJack247]

the past few years have seen a few TEs selected in the first round....some years have had multiple TEs. the reason for this is that an elite TE prospect is a weapon against the cover 2 defense in the NFL. for example, Indy has an advantage against the Bears in the SB because they have Dallas Clark to hit the seam against their cover two.

Zach Miller will most likely be a lock in the first round, Olsen will be an early second rounder.

[raiderman41]

I think it comes down to two factors:

- How much is that position used?
- How many players are available at that position?

For example, in today's NFL, the fullback is mostly a blocking back. Back in the day, FB Mark van Eeghen shared the rushing load with Clarence Davis.

As for the TE, some teams use this position as a blocker first and foremost, while others use this position to spread the field vertically. Unfortunately, there are very few players who can do this in college, and even fewer who can do this in the NFL.

[UC]

Reputation of program is huge. Antoine Cason would be the first corner off the board if he played at a USC, Michigan, Ohio State, or any Florida team (Miami, Florida, Florida State...)

[UC]

EH! Cason didn't enter?

[Undertaker]

Meriweather is due to character issues, but I think whatever team picks him up will be getting a huge steal. My thing is that Ko Simpson last year was projected as a 2nd rounder and went in the 4th or 5th. I doubt that happens with Meriweather because of his talent but one can dream, but if we got him then our defense has the leadership to tame him. People forget that the main reason the Raiders was able to be a home for bad guys is because of the strong leadership which kept them in line, Meriweather got a lil thug in him but his talent outweighs that a big deal.

[mojobeast4694]

Brandon Merriweather isnt the best safety in the draft(Landry and Nelson are both better, IMO).

Also, the best C wont go in round 1, why, because the need isnt as high as other position, same goes for TE.

[UC]

Originally Posted by Undertaker

Meriweather is due to character issues, but I think whatever team picks him up will be getting a huge steal. My thing is that Ko Simpson last year was projected as a 2nd rounder and went in the 4th or 5th. I doubt that happens with Meriweather because of his talent but one can dream, but if we got him then our defense has the leadership to tame him. People forget that the main reason the Raiders was able to be a home for bad guys is because of the strong leadership which kept them in line, Meriweather got a lil thug in him but his talent outweighs that a big deal.

Yeah, I know Mastershake was big on Ko Simpson. Wish he would come post here every once and a while

[Reid3416]

I hope we get one of the TE's

[KELLYISTHEMAN]

Originally Posted by UCRaider

Yeah, I know Mastershake was big on Ko Simpson. Wish he would come post here every once and a while

Remember his 10,000 posts on Jarrad Page? Yeah that was fun.