We Should not draft a QB!

[TheWis76]

This site is plagued with posts of "draft Quinn" or "draft Jamarcus"... seems like that is all I see.

See the problem as I see it, is that our organization is at times run much like the fans would run it. They go for big name guys and expect instant results. I remember at the beginning of the year, people were hailing Walter is the next Stabler, now all I read is that he is a bum and we need to draft a QB. Does anyone in their right mind think that drafting a QB is gonna fix our problems? We need an entire offensive unit!

This is why I am opposed to drafting a QB:

For starters, I have not given up on Walter. I am not going to say he will be the next great something... but what we need to do if we are to have ANY success in todays NFL is develop the players we draft. TUI was drafted in the 2nd round and has had 1 start.... now he no longer fits the system and was a wasted draft pick. Walter started 8 games for the worst offensive line in the game, worst offensive scheme, subpar ground game and receivers that dropped crucial passes.... and now he is a being called a "bust", even though his numbers were similar and in some cases better than the veteran starter Brooks. It doesn't matter who you throw in there... Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Cutler... (or anyone else who folks say we should have drafted) the results may have been a tick better, but not by much, not in this offense.

So what does everyone want to do, draft some high prospect at Qb and throw him to the wolves? Then what, after 6-7 games, when the Raiders have the same results as this year you all will turn and start calling him a "bust". Then the hype will begin, "let's draft (insert next big name)".


I say no no no! Although Qb is no doubt the most important position on the offensive side of the ball, this is a team sport and whom ever is under center needs talent around him. I say let's take this number one to the bank and trade down! Get all we can for it and make smart picks! Let's not just take a guy cause he is a big name, or take a guy cause he benches the most or runs the fastest! Consider those things of course, but let's look for a guy that also has play making ability... that proved so on the field. No more Stanford Routts (I like Routt, but there are starters in this league that went after him that could have helped us more)! It's okay to be risky and take raw talent on occasion, but we practice it way too much.

So I say trade down, get all we can out of that number one over all! And we take the best offensive player that falls to us at whatever position.... lord knows we need them all.

Walter haters I reason with you like this: If we can assemble a decent team to put around Walter and he still can't succeed, than what have we lost? We lost one starter and got potentially three starters for him. Isn't one player (Walter) easier to replace?

[blacksheeps101]

Jamarcus is good i was skeptical about him so i watched him play yesterday and he is only a juniour.That fool is like 6'6 about 230 man that cat is big and has a arm.He throw two big bombs like nothing.He made brady quinn look like a punk

[Rowdy53]

I agree...

What good does it do to add a young QB when the O-line can't block.

[blah_blah]

230?
more like 260-270

[CANRaiderFan5]

Agreed. Start with a talented, young RB and build from there, I say.

[billwilliams70]

Originally Posted by TheWis76

This site is plagued with posts of "draft Quinn" or "draft Jamarcus"... seems like that is all I see.

See the problem as I see it, is that our organization is at times run much like the fans would run it. They go for big name guys and expect instant results. I remember at the beginning of the year, people were hailing Walter is the next Stabler, now all I read is that he is a bum and we need to draft a QB. Does anyone in their right mind think that drafting a QB is gonna fix our problems? We need an entire offensive unit!

This is why I am opposed to drafting a QB:

For starters, I have not given up on Walter. I am not going to say he will be the next great something... but what we need to do if we are to have ANY success in todays NFL is develop the players we draft. TUI was drafted in the 2nd round and has had 1 start.... now he no longer fits the system and was a wasted draft pick. Walter started 8 games for the worst offensive line in the game, worst offensive scheme, subpar ground game and receivers that dropped crucial passes.... and now he is a being called a "bust", even though his numbers were similar and in some cases better than the veteran starter Brooks. It doesn't matter who you throw in there... Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Cutler... (or anyone else who folks say we should have drafted) the results may have been a tick better, but not by much, not in this offense.

So what does everyone want to do, draft some high prospect at Qb and throw him to the wolves? Then what, after 6-7 games, when the Raiders have the same results as this year you all will turn and start calling him a "bust". Then the hype will begin, "let's draft (insert next big name)".


I say no no no! Although Qb is no doubt the most important position on the offensive side of the ball, this is a team sport and whom ever is under center needs talent around him. I say let's take this number one to the bank and trade down! Get all we can for it and make smart picks! Let's not just take a guy cause he is a big name, or take a guy cause he benches the most or runs the fastest! Consider those things of course, but let's look for a guy that also has play making ability... that proved so on the field. No more Stanford Routts (I like Routt, but there are starters in this league that went after him that could have helped us more)! It's okay to be risky and take raw talent on occasion, but we practice it way too much.

So I say trade down, get all we can out of that number one over all! And we take the best offensive player that falls to us at whatever position.... lord knows we need them all.

Walter haters I reason with you like this: If we can assemble a decent team to put around Walter and he still can't succeed, than what have we lost? We lost one starter and got potentially three starters for him. Isn't one player (Walter) easier to replace?

Good read and great point!!!!

Later.

[Chiefhater]

I agree with you on QB, but I'd still like to see us take a RB with the #1.

In a division with LT, LJ and the good backs in Denver, we need to keep pace. Jordan was a gamble that didn't pay off. Time to move forward.

[BlackRain37]

Originally Posted by CANRaiderFan5

Agreed. Start with a talented, young RB and build from there, I say.

Actually, go in this order...

1.New Off. Coordinator
2.New RBs Coach
3.New QB Coach
4.FA veteran OLineman

5.Draft a QB (and let him SIT for a YEAR behind a decent veteran ala Carson Palmer/Jon Kitna)

..and more to go from there, but for now that would be a good start in my book.

[CANRaiderFan5]

Originally Posted by blah_blah

230?
more like 260-270

Yep, 260 or something. The man is a beast! I can't say I would be disappointed to see him come to Oakland. He is so powerful.

[ladyr8r]

Originally Posted by Rowdy53

I agree...

What good does it do to add a young QB when the O-line can't block.

Not only that~as we already know, the Raiders aren't very good at developing young promising QBs at this point. I'd hate to see talent go to waste on the bench cuz we constantly reload instead a rebuild. Dunno if that will ever change in the Raider Organization. Keepn it real, its a sad thing.

[TheWis76]

Originally Posted by blacksheeps101

Jamarcus is good i was skeptical about him so i watched him play yesterday and he is only a juniour.That fool is like 6'6 about 230 man that cat is big and has a arm.He throw two big bombs like nothing.He made brady quinn look like a punk

I am not saying the kid isn't good.... I think you are missing the point.

[Mr. Blonde]

I say with the number 1 pick in the draft you need to go QB (I say Russell) and then build the o-line and recievers from free agency. I am happy with our RB's especially if we fix the o line. I would also consider Calvin Johnson if we trade down a couple of spots, but I don't think you build a team around a reciever.

[speedkills]

with a different scheme the oline wont be as bad, dont get me wrong this oline stinks, but with coaches who can teach them to pick up blitzes and getting the ball out quicker the oline wont look so god damn horrible