Quinn cant win games that matter.

[silvermouse5150]

This is what makes me not so comfortable about possibly getting Quinn.
If we do get him i will root the hell out of the pick and him, but i would rather trade down - we have so many holes on offense to fill. Maybe pick up Marshawn Lynch, Jemarcus Russell, Troy Smith, Joe Thomas, Tank Tyler, U of Miami TE (cant remember his name right now) - any combo of these 2 would work for me.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...gar/index.html

[SlowLane]

Yup - the verdict I think is in on Quinn and it's not very good ... Russel looked far superior.

[speedkills]

amen to that

[Rowdy53]

You can't judge from one game BUT I don't want the guy...Especially the kind of money he will want would be astronomical.

Trade with the Browns and get some much needed picks.

[Clayman]

Originally Posted by silvermouse5150

This is what makes me not so comfortable about possibly getting Quinn.
If we do get him i will root the hell out of the pick and him, but i would rather trade down - we have so many holes on offense to fill. Maybe pick up Marshawn Lynch, Jemarcus Russell, Troy Smith, Joe Thomas, Tank Tyler, U of Miami TE (cant remember his name right now) - any combo of these 2 would work for me.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...gar/index.html

Lynch didn't win any games that mattered , Russell lost in games against Auburn and Florida this year , in the SEC those games matter. Joe thomas gives me Gallery nightmares.

What's your point. Notre Dame lost , Brady Quinn did not lose.

[Raider Ran]

I think Quinn's draft stock has plumetted. In the 3-4 games I have seen him he looks like a mobile AW. His showing last night was a joke.

[kultan]

Originally Posted by Clayman

Lynch didn't win any games that mattered , Russell lost in games against Auburn and Florida this year , in the SEC those games matter. Joe thomas gives me Gallery nightmares.

What's your point. Notre Dame lost , Brady Quinn did not lose.

Yep you hit the nail on the head. I gues Russell won all of the games he played. If he won ALL the games that mattered he wouldn't be playing Notre Dame would he? People have to knock someone down to say that their choice is the right one instead of just explaining why their choice might be the right one.

[silvermouse5150]

Originally Posted by Clayman

Lynch didn't win any games that mattered , Russell lost in games against Auburn and Florida this year , in the SEC those games matter. Joe thomas gives me Gallery nightmares.

What's your point. Notre Dame lost , Brady Quinn did not lose.

Originally Posted by kultan

Yep you hit the nail on the head. I gues Russell won all of the games he played. If he won ALL the games that mattered he wouldn't be playing Notre Dame would he? People have to knock someone down to say that their choice is the right one instead of just explaining why their choice might be the right one.

I just dont feel so great about Quinn thats all, never said i was completely right or wrong, didnt say it would be a mistake if we choose him or that he stinks, i even said i would support him and the pick if we got him.
But would prefer to go in another direction - again never said this was the right and only thing to do.

and then i went on to explain that we have so many holes to fill, and we could get more than one draft pick to help fill those holes. and just like it was pointed out earlier regarding Quinn not losing the games but the team- the team(LSU) lost to auburn and florida not russell. A QB is not going to play great every game but Russell didnt play as bad as Quinn has in big games. And its not that the Irish lost in the big games, it is how Quinn performed in those games - which was very poorly. i dont care if we get russell or another QB, i just know we need a QB, and if we trade down - Quinn most likely is gone.

[kultan]

I do understand what where you were coming from Mouse and of course with our holes to fill I would rather have two solid players than one if we could trade down. Drew Brees/LT comes to mind.

I was mostly referring to the naysayers some of whom last year was trumpeting how bad V. Young was and how he couldn't make it in today's NFL and how his speed couldn't translate and all I see is smart play, and 30+yd TD runs from him.

I'm a long way from deciding on who we should go with but to slam Quinn as if his WR's had faced press coverage and speed at DB all year and the oline faced the #2 defense all year is stupid. Fact is that it's not only Quinn who isn't coming up big in big games. His Oline isn't his WR's aren't his coach isn't and the list goes on.

Russell threw to WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS or ran through wide open holes parted by the Oline. Maybe that's scheming, maybe it's atheleticism but he had it eaiser than Quinn and probably wouldn't have faired as well as against his own defense. I don't think even Brady would have 3 rings against his defense.

We have a lot of time to figure it out and hopefully we will do the right thing and put coaches and people in place to make our newbies successful.

[OWShaddock]

Originally Posted by kultan

Russell threw to WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS or ran through wide open holes parted by the Oline. Maybe that's scheming, maybe it's atheleticism but he had it eaiser than Quinn and probably wouldn't have faired as well as against his own defense. I don't think even Brady would have 3 rings against his defense.

Thank you.
Some seem to be wilfully ignorant of the fact Quinn was playing against the 5th best defense in the country, while Russell was playing against the 55th.

Quinn did not have a good game. That much is obvious. But to analyze it completely out of context is misleading.

[raiderGRR]

Originally Posted by kultan

I was mostly referring to the naysayers some of whom last year was trumpeting how bad V. Young was and how he couldn't make it in today's NFL and how his speed couldn't translate and all I see is smart play, and 30+yd TD runs from him.

I haven't seen him amking any great throws yet. Mostly just great runs.

[silvermouse5150]

Originally Posted by kultan

I do understand what where you were coming from Mouse and of course with our holes to fill I would rather have two solid players than one if we could trade down. Drew Brees/LT comes to mind.

I was mostly referring to the naysayers some of whom last year was trumpeting how bad V. Young was and how he couldn't make it in today's NFL and how his speed couldn't translate and all I see is smart play, and 30+yd TD runs from him.

I'm a long way from deciding on who we should go with but to slam Quinn as if his WR's had faced press coverage and speed at DB all year and the oline faced the #2 defense all year is stupid. Fact is that it's not only Quinn who isn't coming up big in big games. His Oline isn't his WR's aren't his coach isn't and the list goes on.

Russell threw to WIDE OPEN RECEIVERS or ran through wide open holes parted by the Oline. Maybe that's scheming, maybe it's atheleticism but he had it eaiser than Quinn and probably wouldn't have faired as well as against his own defense. I don't think even Brady would have 3 rings against his defense.

We have a lot of time to figure it out and hopefully we will do the right thing and put coaches and people in place to make our newbies successful.

Yep i agree, if anyone can say someone is 100% going to be successful or 100% be unsuccessful they are full of BS or REALLY lucky. Especially people who dont even work in the field of football.

Even the pros (people who spend at least 8 hours a day dedicated to looking at players, and for years) dont know. Anyone that thinks they know, should be working in the field of football in some capacity.

[kultan]

Originally Posted by raiderGRR

I haven't seen him amking any great throws yet. Mostly just great runs.

(VINCE) People see what they want to see. He aint making great throws but just great runs? You mean the same runs that people were saying he COULDN'T make against NFL players. So he won all those games WIH|THOUT making any throws?

Fact is he won a ton of games down the stretch and people will say that it was coaching and the supporting cast while others who like him will say that it's him. Fact is he was at the helm and pulled out some games and showed some poise under duress that people thought would take him years to get to.