Thoughts on my mock ...

[OWShaddock]

I'm participating in a mock on another board and I, of course, am picking for the Raiders. After three rounds, here's what I've got. Your thoughts are welcome:

1st round, 6th overall - Matt Leinart, QB, USC. Both Hawk and M. Williams were gone at this point and I was stunned to see Leinart fall into the Raiders' lap at number 6. I figured there's no way Al Davis passes on a lefty, Heisman-winning QB out of USC at this spot, so I snatched him up and hope he's the future. I first offered to trade down, but had no takers.

2nd round, 38th overall - Bobby Carpenter, LB, Ohio St. If I couldn't get the first stud LB out of OSU, I was happy to take the other. Has great potential with his size and could easily start on the strongside next year for the Raiders.

3rd round, 70th overall - Bernard Pollard, S, Purdue. This actually was not my pick because a family emergency took me out of town and I let one of the draft's moderators select for me with the suggestion that the Raiders would be looking for a safety or a guard at this spot. I might have preferred Roman Harper at this spot, but Pollard isn't a bad selection. He's a big, tackling machine who is great against the run, not so great against the pass. He's a typical Raider pick in that he's got a great combo of size and speed.

That's it so far.

[MasterShake2388]

A) We drafted Andrew Walter in hopes for the future, why draft another QB with a weaker arm that doesnt fit the system as well?

B) Bobby Carpenter is amazing, I like him and would take him there hes great in coverage, and hes a good LB

C) Bernard Pollard has raw skills, right now I see him more of a guy that just delivers big hits but he does have talent elsewhere I wouldnt mind him either.. but I dont trust Purdue Safeties!

[St. Raider]

A) We drafted Andrew Walter in hopes for the future, why draft another QB with a weaker arm that doesnt fit the system as well?

I dont know about that, Leinart's got an arm too.

[MasterShake2388]

Originally Posted by St. Raider

I dont know about that, Leinart's got an arm too.

Andrews Arm is muuuuch stronger, throws a better deep ball too, Lienart is a WCO QB.

[OWShaddock]

Originally Posted by RaiderFan2388

Andrews Arm is muuuuch stronger, throws a better deep ball too, Lienart is a WCO QB.

That's not entirely true. While the basis of SC's offense (which is really Norm Chow's offense) is the WCO, they throw the ball downfield far more often than the typical WCO. And the WCO unfairly gets a bad rap around here. You may recall that the only sucess the Raiders have had for the past decade occurred when they were running a variant of the WCO.
Does Leinart have a stronger arm than Walter? Probably not. But he's much more accurate, has much better touch on his deep ball and is more mobile.

I have nothing agianst Walter and if he's the Raiders QB of the future, I'm fine with it. But based on what I've seen from the two to date, there's no way one can make a strong case for Walter over Leinart. That doesn't mean Leinart is a lock to be a better pro, but based on their college careers and potential Leinart is the better prospect.

[MasterShake2388]

Originally Posted by OWShaddock

That's not entirely true. While the basis of SC's offense (which is really Norm Chow's offense) is the WCO, they throw the ball downfield far more often than the typical WCO. And the WCO unfairly gets a bad rap around here. You may recall that the only sucess the Raiders have had for the past decade occurred when they were running a variant of the WCO.
Does Leinart have a stronger arm than Walter? Probably not. But he's much more accurate, has much better touch on his deep ball and is more mobile.

I have nothing agianst Walter and if he's the Raiders QB of the future, I'm fine with it. But based on what I've seen from the two to date, there's no way one can make a strong case for Walter over Leinart. That doesn't mean Leinart is a lock to be a better pro, but based on their college careers and potential Leinart is the better prospect.

Ohhh I disagree completely! lol

much more accurate? just more accurate with the mid range and short passes, Walters deep pass is more accurate then Lienarts

more mobile? doubt it, Walter has quickness inside the pocket that Lienart doesnt possess, as far as scrambing is concerned its a tie

Lienart being a better college QB.. I agree, but he was on the better team
as far as the better prospect, I gotta give it to Lienart but it would still be a wasted pick because Walter possesess every tool we need in the verical offense, and yes we still run the verical offense... and Walter is a better fit for it then Lienart is.

[MasterShake2388]

also theres no reason for us to take Lienart... thats like if the Bills took Lienart with JP Losman, or if the Giants took Lienart with Eli... we got our QB prospect already, lets see what he can do before we go after other QBs.

[OWShaddock]

Originally Posted by RaiderFan2388

Ohhh I disagree completely! lol

much more accurate? just more accurate with the mid range and short passes, Walters deep pass is more accurate then Lienarts

The numbers say Leinart is far more accurate. Walter completed 54.9 percent of his passes with 85 TDs and 36 INTs and averaged 13.1 yards per completion. Leinart completed 64.8 percent of his passes with 99 TDs to 23 INTs and averaged 13.2 yards per completion.

more mobile? doubt it, Walter has quickness inside the pocket that Lienart doesnt possess, as far as scrambing is concerned its a tie

Walter isn't quite a statue, but he's far from quick. The biggest knocks on him coming out were that he's immobile and he has trouble reading defenses.
From SI:
Slow setting up in the pocket, releases the ball with a three-quarters motion, and has a low trajectory for a tall passer. Immobile and cannot escape the rush. Erratic, misreads defenses and throws the ball into coverage.

Walter possesess every tool we need in the verical offense, and yes we still run the verical offense... and Walter is a better fit for it then Lienart is.

The Raiders run no offense right now because they don't have a coach. Again, I have no problem with Walter. But I don't see the Raiders passing up Leinart if he's there.

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1st-AJ Hawk or Williams

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we do have a running game LJ just didnt get the carries,protection and proper runs

[R41D3R5]

If the Raiders aren't that confident in Walter sure why not get Leinart at 6-7 unless they don't think he will make a very good pro. If Young fell to our spot he would be interesting because scouts project him as a WR but if we got him imagine Walter at QB with Young out as a WR then Walter passes across the field to Young and he passes across the field to Jordan who can also pass the football. We have 3 Qb's back there come and get some D. lol
I like Carpenter sounds good to me. lol
Pollard pass because I think there are better well rounded players left in the 3rd.

[S&Bmexico]

I think the raiders wish list for the draft is
1-reggie bush
2-hawk
3-mario williams
4-leinart
5-young
6-ferguson

[S&Bmexico]

even if we take hawk, carpenter can be a great pick in 2nd round

[Walter16]

As big of a fan of Walter as i am, there is no way he's as good a prospect as Leinart. No way. There is nothing wrong with Leinart's arm, just like there is nothing wrong with Walter's mobility, Walters' arm is stronger and Leinart is more mobile. Both have slight edges - that's all.

Leinart can run a pro style offense in the Pro's just like he has in College, his arm is easily strong enough. Walter could tun any pro offense too.

But the fact is, Walters' resume is not nearly as impressive, that has to partly be due to supporting cast, but not all.<