If we stay at #3, there is only one choice.

[agular9]

I have been saying pass rush DE all year, but these guys available all have their flaws from what I've seen that worry me.

You take Star, it could tremendously help our DE's. Like a Justin Smith for the Niners or other dominate DT's that command double teams. Aldon Smith went from almost breaking the record to being a non factor once Justin Smith went out.

On the contrary, Kelly and Seymour were doubled teamed this year and our DE's didnt get any push in their one on one match ups.

Whoever these scouts feel is the best ALL AROUND Dlineman, I hope they take and it's seeming more and more that is Star.

[heavyD]

Like others have said Moore would be a solid pick at #3. I'm not a big fan of going too far down the consensus boards when you are picking top 5.

[grw80]

Actually there's 4 choices.....in order to how I rank them for us:

1.) Bjoern Werner
2.) Star Lotulelei
3.) Luke Joekel
4.) Damontre Moore

Pick one, any of the four work for me ;)

[StickShift]

And until I see evidence to the contrary, we are not a 3-4 team.

The evidence was in the last quarter of the season. We were jumping in and out of 34/43 sets coming down the stretch and will most likely do the same next year.

We need players versatile enough to play in both schemes as we will be multiple in our looks.

[21David52]

Actually there's 4 choices.....in order to how I rank them for us:

1.) Bjoern Werner
2.) Star Lotulelei
3.) Luke Joekel
4.) Damontre Moore

Pick one, any of the four work for me ;)

If Jarvis Jones is not on the board, ^ these are my options

[RaiderDuck]

IF (and I'm saying if) Reggie thinks Lotulelei can be a Vince Wilfork or Haloti Ngata-type disruptor in the middle, then we HAVE to take him. Passrushers come out every year (although we do seem to have a bumper crop this time around). A truly dominating NT, on the other hand? Maybe twice a decade.

[csyzero]

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I like Werner also.

[AL 9000]

First off, in terms of player rating and where our needs lay, the only players that should be considered are DT Lotulelei and OT Joeckel. However, there are some other considerations that narrow these two choices to one. First, when it comes to Joeckel, we have to factor in that a) we have a serviceable RT in Barnes [remember, he is not cut out for stretch plays, which may be eliminated] and b) when you pick an OT in the top 5, the value exists if he plays LT. I don't think there is any way we should be moving Veldheer out of the LT position due to no fault of his own. Veldeer is developing nicely considering he has had to learn under subpar and ever changing coching like everyone else on the team and has still managed to improve his play every year. Second with the likely departure of Seymour and Kelly, we will need two starters at DT, thus the need at DT is FAR great than that of OT.

I am fairly sure that Bryant will be elevated to starting position this year. He has flat out earned it. The difference between him and the formerly mentioned starters was striking over the last quarter of the season. This guy gets off of blocks like no one's business, pursues the ball, disrupts blocking schemes and hurts whoever he hits. He drew a flag for a completely legal hit on Philis Rivers who the refs must have simply felt sorry for. He had to lead the team in hit in the backfield. Bryant probably about 295 to 300 pounds, so starting him with the monstrous, active, quick, powerful 325 pound Lotulelei will lay the foundation for a disruptive 4-3 D-line that will actually collapse the pocket on a regular basis. All we would need then would be a mid to late round edge rusher to give us some good play (paging Jack Crawford, come in Jack Crawford!)

PS: If we do indeed trade dow, the two players we should be considering are BYU DE Ziggy Ansah and Alabama OG Chance Warmack.
PSS: Given our cap situation, Bryant needs to re-signed over Nessy. Nessy's get up and go has gotten up and went. We simply cannot have TWO DEs who are not pass rushers, and Houston is better so he stays.

Nice post man. I agree with everything you said 100%.

[Raiders Baby!]

First off, in terms of player rating and where our needs lay, the only players that should be considered are DT Lotulelei and OT Joeckel. However, there are some other considerations that narrow these two choices to one. First, when it comes to Joeckel, we have to factor in that a) we have a serviceable RT in Barnes [remember, he is not cut out for stretch plays, which may be eliminated] and b) when you pick an OT in the top 5, the value exists if he plays LT. I don't think there is any way we should be moving Veldheer out of the LT position due to no fault of his own. Veldeer is developing nicely considering he has had to learn under subpar and ever changing coching like everyone else on the team and has still managed to improve his play every year. Second with the likely departure of Seymour and Kelly, we will need two starters at DT, thus the need at DT is FAR great than that of OT.

I am fairly sure that Bryant will be elevated to starting position this year. He has flat out earned it. The difference between him and the formerly mentioned starters was striking over the last quarter of the season. This guy gets off of blocks like no one's business, pursues the ball, disrupts blocking schemes and hurts whoever he hits. He drew a flag for a completely legal hit on Philis Rivers who the refs must have simply felt sorry for. He had to lead the team in hit in the backfield. Bryant probably about 295 to 300 pounds, so starting him with the monstrous, active, quick, powerful 325 pound Lotulelei will lay the foundation for a disruptive 4-3 D-line that will actually collapse the pocket on a regular basis. All we would need then would be a mid to late round edge rusher to give us some good play (paging Jack Crawford, come in Jack Crawford!)

PS: If we do indeed trade dow, the two players we should be considering are BYU DE Ziggy Ansah and Alabama OG Chance Warmack.
PSS: Given our cap situation, Bryant needs to re-signed over Nessy. Nessy's get up and go has gotten up and went. We simply cannot have TWO DEs who are not pass rushers, and Houston is better so he stays.

Picking Joeckel and moving Veldheer to the right seems like a completely reasonable move to me. Veldheer seems like more of a RT, we drafted him in the 4th round so he is valued like a RT and having two towers on either side of the QB is never a bad thing. Veldheer is coming along nicely and has been an awesome mid-round pick, but I am never against beefing up the OL.

With that said, I tend to agree with you. If we stay at 3, Star is the better choice. He has a few issues that I've seen on film (most glaring one: sometimes he fights the block the wrong direction and ends up having to go behind the center/guard) but these things are easily correctible with proper coaching. He is suited well for both the 3-4 and 4-3 so that will give us versatility to run the multiple fronts Tarver seems to want to develop. In my opinion, having a destructive defensive line is the second most important thing a team can have behind an elite QB and Star has the potential to be a huge contributor for this unit.

[grw80]

If Jarvis Jones is not on the board, ^ these are my options

Ummm, not for me, yes he did have a great season, however the spinal stenosis issue that he has is a MAJOR red flag because at any time his neck can go right the f*ck out and that's some major missed time there if he would even be able to return. The USC doctors said he should honestly consider not playing football anymore for fear that neck can be seriously compromised at any time. I'll pass.....

I stick by my original 4 that I already listed.

[Cdn_Oak_Raider]

Best dt or de on Reggies board works for me. If we go DE move Houston inside with Bryant, with Moore/Werner and shaunassy at the end spot. If Reggie goes Star no problem there either, personally I think Star could be gone before Raiders pick at 3.

[80sr8dr]

The evidence was in the last quarter of the season. We were jumping in and out of 34/43 sets coming down the stretch and will most likely do the same next year.

We need players versatile enough to play in both schemes as we will be multiple in our looks.

That is evidence that the coching staff finally did what they said they were going to do, and that's play multiple sets. We still have 4-3 personnel and we are losing some lineman. We also have zero LB depth. Nothing about this says full time 3-4 defense.

[80sr8dr]

If Jarvis Jones is not on the board, ^ these are my options

There isn't a draft expert in the world that rates Werner a top 3 player.

[RaiderDuck]

Jarvis Jones reminds me too much of DMac: Do we take him and watch his career ended early because of injuries, or do we pass and watch him become the next Lawrence Taylor?

[80sr8dr]

Nice post man. I agree with everything you said 100%.

Cool. I was hoping to break down the debate a bit. There has to be a balance between RANKING and NEED and what I see is a lot of people considering one and not the other.