Open Thought Discussion: 2013 NFL Draft

**RaiderAg** · 11-04-2012, 04:48 PM

For those random thoughts and discussions, when chat room just isn't there for you. At this point, we have to find a way to replace Seymour and Kelly...Lotulelei or Hankins would be a start...there are some guys like Sylvester Williams, John Jenkins, Jesse Williams, Sharrif Floyd, Sheldon Richardson, Josh Boyd and Kawann Short are all late 1st to early 3rd Round possibilities as well.

Let the rebuild begin. New Blood. Allen/Tarver blood.

**RaiderfanCT** · 11-04-2012, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by RaiderAg

For those random thoughts and discussions, when chat room just isn't there for you. At this point, we have to find a way to replace Seymour and Kelly...Lotulelei or Hankins would be a start...there are some guys like Sylvester Williams, John Jenkins, Jesse Williams, Sharrif Floyd, Sheldon Richardson, Josh Boyd and Kawann Short are all late 1st to early 3rd Round possibilities as well.

Let the rebuild begin. New Blood. Allen/Tarver blood.

I definitely agree with needing DT or NT depth depending on the scheme we run. I like Lotulelei and Hankins but I don't see them as players I would take in the top 10. I would much rather trade back and get a guy like Jenkins, move to a 3-4 and use picks gained to fill our other numerous holes.

**Monkz** · 11-05-2012, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by RaiderfanCT

I definitely agree with needing DT or NT depth depending on the scheme we run. I like Lotulelei and Hankins but I don't see them as players I would take in the top 10. I would much rather trade back and get a guy like Jenkins, move to a 3-4 and use picks gained to fill our other numerous holes.

Took the words out of my mouth, except I do think Star and Hankins deserve a top 10 selection I would rather trade down, pick up JJ and get a corner (Amerson/Poyer) or a pass rusher (Dion Jordan) in the second round. Assuming we move to a 3-4, either way I can't see Seymour and Kelly returning next year with their fat contracts, so it would be the ideal time to switch to a 3-4.

**RaiderAg** · 11-05-2012, 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Monkz

Took the words out of my mouth, except I do think Star and Hankins deserve a top 10 selection I would rather trade down, pick up JJ and get a corner (Amerson/Poyer) or a pass rusher (Dion Jordan) in the second round. Assuming we move to a 3-4, either way I can't see Seymour and Kelly returning next year with their fat contracts, so it would be the ideal time to switch to a 3-4.

Miles Burris will become a superstar in a 3-4, my opinion.

**DustInTheWind** · 11-05-2012, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by RaiderAg

Miles Burris will become a superstar in a 3-4, my opinion.

Is that Wheeler and Burris inside?

**RaiderAg** · 11-05-2012, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by DustInTheWind

Is that Wheeler and Burris inside?

I think they can do both, especially on passing downs, but Burris belongs outside in my opinion. I'd rather see him in a Clay Matthews type role.

**speedkills** · 11-05-2012, 07:37 AM

I want a right tackle , dend, corner in that order

**DustInTheWind** · 11-05-2012, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by RaiderAg

I think they can do both, especially on passing downs, but Burris belongs outside in my opinion. I'd rather see him in a Clay Matthews type role.

Alright that's how I like to see him utilized too. Think it probably depends on who they can get via the draft/FA.

Was disappointed by their missed tackles yesterday. I would like to see Wheeler be the SILB next year - wear the headset etc. - though.

**lebedeff** · 11-05-2012, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Monkz

Took the words out of my mouth, except I do think Star and Hankins deserve a top 10 selection I would rather trade down, pick up JJ and get a corner (Amerson/Poyer) or a pass rusher (Dion Jordan) in the second round. Assuming we move to a 3-4, either way I can't see Seymour and Kelly returning next year with their fat contracts, so it would be the ideal time to switch to a 3-4.

i think Star and Hankins are over hyped. I think we can get a good NT later in the 1st or somewhere in the 2nd round. As for seymour and kelly, Kelly has a big contract so will be hard to move him and we are stuck with seymour until 2017 right now with his contract unless he retires or we can sucker a team to take him. I agree this yr maybe the best time to switch to 3-4 if we can get more draft picks

**RaiderAg** · 11-05-2012, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by lebedeff

i think Star and Hankins are over hyped. I think we can get a good NT later in the 1st or somewhere in the 2nd round. As for seymour and kelly, Kelly has a big contract so will be hard to move him and we are stuck with seymour until 2017 right now with his contract unless he retires or we can sucker a team to take him. I agree this yr maybe the best time to switch to 3-4 if we can get more draft picks

If you think they're being overhyped now...wait until they get a full off season of speed camp, power camp and rock the Combine. Not hyped as bad as Dontari Poe, but they'll be even better looking come April. Provided their interviews don't go to hell.

**kinz** · 11-05-2012, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by lebedeff

i think Star and Hankins are over hyped. I think we can get a good NT later in the 1st or somewhere in the 2nd round. As for seymour and kelly, Kelly has a big contract so will be hard to move him and we are stuck with seymour until 2017 right now with his contract unless he retires or we can sucker a team to take him. I agree this yr maybe the best time to switch to 3-4 if we can get more draft picks

Imo what we need are run stuffing DTs or a true NT. A big space eater (or two for a rotation) can often be found a bit later on in the draft. Maybe 3rd.

**DustInTheWind** · 11-05-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Monkz

Took the words out of my mouth, except I do think Star and Hankins deserve a top 10 selection I would rather trade down, pick up JJ and get a corner (Amerson/Poyer) or a pass rusher (Dion Jordan) in the second round. Assuming we move to a 3-4, either way I can't see Seymour and Kelly returning next year with their fat contracts, so it would be the ideal time to switch to a 3-4.

Amerson? If Reggie drafts him to play CB I will lose all faith in his abilities as a GM/talent evaluator. Wouldn't mind getting someone like Dion Jordon in the 2nd even though I feel like he could go late 1st if he has good workouts and combine.

Originally Posted by lebedeff

i think Star and Hankins are over hyped. I think we can get a good NT later in the 1st or somewhere in the 2nd round. As for seymour and kelly, Kelly has a big contract so will be hard to move him and we are stuck with seymour until 2017 right now with his contract unless he retires or we can sucker a team to take him. I agree this yr maybe the best time to switch to 3-4 if we can get more draft picks

Replacing Seymour and Kelly, no matter the scheme, needs to be a top priority. Also need to do something about McClain and the ILB spot. Most of the runs yesterday, big and small, were up the middle with those three bums failing to do their jobs. The fact that you let a rookie run up the gut without both starting, Pro Bowl quality, OGs is inexcusable.

Originally Posted by RaiderAg

If you think they're being overhyped now...wait until they get a full off season of speed camp, power camp and rock the Combine. Not hyped as bad as Dontari Poe, but they'll be even better looking come April. Provided their interviews don't go to hell.

They are both 10X the player Poe was or is.

So do we think interior DL or pass rusher is still more important with our first pick?

**Metallica0688** · 11-05-2012, 12:09 PM

There is no way that Reggie is going to be able to get rid of both Kelly and Seymour and have enough cap space left to sign some decent players for the other spots that is needed to be addressed to .

Best bet is decide which one is the better addition by subtraction for the team next year as both are going to cost $8 million in the cap hit to release them .

My choice would be dump Seymour and ride another year with Kelly .

Grabbing Sheldon Richardson gives us a replacement for Seymour .

Should be there in the lower 1st if Reggie can swing a deal to trade down from the likely Top 10 spot we will be picking .

Plenty of NT we can grab in the lower rounds to eat space for us .

Star yes is nice and could be a Ngata type but his Motivation is lacking for 60 minutes .
Is that because of maybe playing with to much weight ?
Is he playing with an injury ?
I was high on him but watching more games of him disappear in them is cause for concerns .

Hankins not the flashy play of Star is potential . But I see him more of a Pat Williams or Ted Washington career of being a nice run stopper DT .

Jenkins much like Sheldon both these guys are so light on their feet for the size of them that would be nice to see as the UT .

But then again got to consider the pass rush is bad to for us do you go for a Jarvis Jones or Mingo if they are there over a Star or Hankins if we don't trade down ?

Do you grab a OT and hope that you can control the clock with having long sustained drives .

**Marzan** · 11-05-2012, 12:17 PM

After a game like yesterday it's so crystal clear: We have soooo many needs in this roster that prioritizing what to pick is going to be tough. DT, ROT, CB, pass rusher, ILB, S...we need it all.

I say start with the trenches and build from there. If Reggie can't engineer a trade down for more picks early on, just get the best lineman available (defensive or offensive, doesn't matter we need both anyway) and go from there.