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    DE Ezekiel Ansah-BYU
    Height: 6’5
    Weight: 270 lbs.
    Grade: 7.5 (Grading Scale)

    Athleticism
    +Explosive coming out of his stance, is able to rush with both power and speed
    +Big prospect with long arms, very well filled out
    +He’s able to transition from one rush move to another due to natural balance
    +Uses great leg drive on his bull rush to walk to offensive lineman back into the pocket
    +Phenomenal change of direction ability
    +Rare blend of athleticism where he is just as good with his strength moves as he is with his speed moves
    +Top-end speed to play LB if he was needed there, already drops into coverage and makes plays in coverage
    +He has a great motor whether he’s chasing down the QB or chasing down a RB from the backside
    +Delivers the blow when he hits you, he’s not a drag down tackler, when he hits you, you’re going down
    +Natural bend around the edge to turn the corner and get to the QB
    -Still learning how to play with his body type, at times still has an awkward moment where he’s not sure what to do with hands
    -Lack of time in football has him struggle with some recognition plays where he will bite on fakes or take himself out of plays by design
    -What position is he in the NFL? May need to add or lose weight moving forward

    Intelligence/Effort

    +Developing play reading ability, he showed a lot of growth in this area this year
    +Does well to monitor the QB on his rush and if he breaks to run or winds up to throw Ansah reacts properly
    +Never ending motor, he’s the kind of defender that is just as happy getting a QB sack as he is chasing down a WR 50 yards down the field who thought he was going to score easily
    -Having only played football for three years his Awareness and Football IQ are lower than most prospects
    -Struggles with some of the misdirection and zone read style of plays
    -Will allow teams to take advantage of his up field pass rush by running draws to his side, until he counters it

    Pass Rush
    +Explosion out of his stance allows him to beat the OT to the spot whenever he wants
    +When he uses his arms and hands properly he’s almost impossible to engage
    +Generates a ton of power and strength through his lower body, is able to lift the OL almost completely out of his stance
    +Can rush from the DE, DT, or OLB spots, could be a huge asset for a creative defensive coordinator
    +His length presents a problem for most OT’s, even if you block him he still has the ability to get his long arms into the passing lanes
    +Has begun understanding how to set up and utilize certain moves to counter what offenses are trying to do to him
    +When he’s really feeling it, he’ll start using combination moves to get the OL moving one way just to beat him the opposite
    +Seems to find that next gear when he has the QB in his sights
    -When he is blocked effectively it’s often because he gets too high out of his stance
    -His hand usage needs to get better when it comes to shedding blocks

    Run Support
    +With his speed he’s often able to shoot the gaps and make plays in the backfield
    +Also uses his power to push the OL into the backfield and redirect running plays
    +When he uses his long arms he is able hold up at the point of attack and then sheds the block to make the tackle
    +Washes down the line effectively in pursuit of plays run the opposite direction, can get across the offensive lineman’s face with ease
    +Quickness and change of direction ability help him v the smaller and more elusive backs
    -Too inconsistent with his length and hands to be an elite run stopper, but he certainly has the potential
    -Teams will run right at him on draws and misdirection because they know he will take himself out of plays

    Technique

    +No player in the draft, except maybe Damontre Moore, explodes like Ansah does out of his stance, picture perfect get-off
    +Footwork is ideal, he’s always well balances and uses his feet to change direction quickly, rarely a false step or wasted movement
    +Great tackler for a big guy, uses his long arms to wrap up the ball carrier and take him down
    -Has long arms but doesn’t always use them properly
    -Needs to stay low consistently off the snap, when he gets high he gets blocked
    -Positional refinement, NFL teams will need to determine what he is moving forward (43 DE, 34 DE, 43 DT, 34 OLB) and then hammer him on technical ability for that position

    Overview
    Ansah is the hottest name on the draft market right now with people saying he’s going anywhere from the Top 5 to the Top 50. Ansah’s game stock is based mostly on potential and there is a lot of it. He’s a far better prospect than either Barkevious Mingo or Jarvis Jones, to me. He’s got a ceiling that no other prospect can touch in this DE class but that’s the key, this is all based on what he can be, not necessarily on what he is.

    Ansah has only been playing football for three years and the growth he has shown as been remarkable. His basketball background has certainly paid dividends on the football field with his athleticism and length. However he’s still learning a lot about the game, and the next step in that will be learning more about the X’s and O’s and improving his awareness and football IQ.

    There is little doubt in my mind that Ansah will be a successful defensive player in the NFL, I’m not sure what position that will be at just yet, but I don’t consider that to be a bad thing. This kid is so athletic and so good he could be successful at a myriad of positions. For the time being we’re going to leave him as a DE. He’s without a doubt going to be our top rated senior DE when the next position update comes and we’re really excited to see what he does in Mobile.

    With Ansah’s Senior Bowl invite we’ll get to see him v. the best of the best for a full week. All eyes will be on Ansah as he goes up against OT’s like Eric Fisher and Oday Aboushi. He also will be playing alongside so other really athletic DE’s in guys like Jamie Collins and Margus Hunt. Both players should push Ansah to step his game up. Ansah’s Senior Bowl week will be the determining factor in whether he’s truly a Top 5 or Top 50 pick.

    For us right now, I see him in the Top 32, I think he’s a first round prospect with the ability to go higher. I just need to see more technical ability from him first.

    Scouting Notes
    Ezekiel Ansah v. San Jose State
    -Slant rush to the inside, then he spins back to the outside to space and gets a nice hit on Fales after he makes the throw
    -Lots of natural power, really able to shed blocks at will
    -Displaying his immense athleticism as he chases the QB out of bounds from the opposite side of the field
    -When his technique is sound he’s nearly impossible to block one on one
    -San Jose State has started letting the RB chip in order to help the RT
    -Sheds block from RG and makes tackles on Eskridge

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    Prospect: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
    Height: 6’2″
    Weight: 240
    Grade: 7.4I (Grading Scale)


    Scouting Report:

    Athleticism
    + Explosive pass rusher with elite straight line speed for the position
    + Tremendous burst, especially off the ball, quick-twitch athlete with good short area quickness
    + Explosive and fluid change of direction. Has the ability to stop, start and turn on a dime and explode out of cuts
    + Not a physical specimen, but has good playing strength, can take on/fight off blocks with power
    + Impressive acceleration, first one off the ball and reaches top speed quicker than anyone on the field
    + Perfect combo of size/power/speed for an NFL OLB, despite needing to add 5-10 pounds of bulk
    - Arm length is a question mark, has short arms for a pass rusher and could effect him at next level
    - Has a condition called “spinal stenosis”, which could limit his longevity in the league. Will definitely have to be checked out and passed by medical personnel. Reportedly wasn’t cleared by USC prior to transferring to Georgia.

    Intelligence/Effort
    + Plus motor as a pass rusher, won’t give up a sack and consistently chases the ball, doesnt’t give up on the play
    + Run/Pass awareness is much better than other pass rushers in the class
    + Has above-average recognition skills, reads misdirection and draw plays well
    + Usually disciplined and will stick to his assignment. Ex. will take the dive back instead of going for sack on read-option plays
    + Played special teams early on at USC and made an impact as a freshman
    - Due to size lacks the versatility to play both DE/OLB and thus doesn’t every play our of a 3 point stance, however he does have all the skills to play either 3-4 or 4-3 OLB

    Pass Rush Ability

    + Ideal speed rush OLB, plays with intensity and fire, consistently disruptive
    + Relies on his incredible burst off the line of scrimmage to gain advantage over slower OT
    + Can “run the wheel” and turn the corner at high speed, shortening the distance to the QB
    + Times the snap very well, almost looks like he cheats the snap at times
    + Impressive closing ability, when he gains advantage over blocker he is usually able to finish the play, as reflected by his impressive sack and TFL numbers
    + Combines some functional strength with his speed rush tendencies, rarely overpowered and has the ability withstand the initial “pop” of stronger lineman
    + Tremendous pass rush motor, goes full bore and will not give up on the QB until the play is over
    + Has a quick and decisive spin move
    - Love to rush off tackle too much, can take himself out of plays by looping too far outside and creating huge lanes
    - Short arms will allow OT to get into his body, may struggle to get extension and shed blocks
    - Doesn’t use his hands well enough as a rusher, needs to develop a rip move to get inside

    VS.the Run

    + Makes his share of plays in the run game, totaled 77 tackles as a junior
    + Has the strength to withstand blocks at the point of attack and can hold his ground vs. stronger OL/double teams
    + Has the speed to make a lot of plays from the backside, when unblocked he crashes down the line of scrimmage well
    + Plays off instincts, reads his keys and reacts to plays quickly giving him ability to get position
    + Seems to close holes quickly and can close in on ball carrier
    + Sound and physical tackler
    - Over-Aggressiveness creates running lanes and can be susceptible to runs right at him at times
    - Can be engulfed by bigger and stronger linemen and turned too easily away from the hole
    - Gets too upright after an amount of time, which really limits his ability to disengage and move

    Blitzing
    + Is utlized on twists and stunts, from which he will rush from the inside
    + Due to his ability to drop into coverage, can be used on zone blitzes
    + His combination of instincts, burst and speed will make him a nightmare to pick up on blitzes
    + Can blitz and rush from both sides of the line and can even move to inside linebacker and blitz from there
    + His ability to time the snap and get the first step gives him big advantage

    Overview:
    Jones possesses the ideal skill set to be an elite pass rushing OLB at the NFL level. His combination of speed, burst and playing strength will make him a match-up nightmare for OL in the NFL. He has the ability to play in either a 3-4 or 4-3 with the ability to make an impact in the run game due to his instincts and motor.

    In the 2013 draft class he is one of the most complete and the most disruptive player available. In a league that is becoming increasingly pass oriented his pass rushing skills are at a premium. As long as his spinal stenosis diagnosis and his arm length checks out he will be in the discussion for the number one overall pick. Until those things are confirmed, he could be picked anywhere in the first round.
    Scouting Notes

    Georgia vs Florida
    -Crashing down off edge and taking down Gilislee for small gain
    -Dips his shoulder and rips past Nixon to the outside
    -Never gives up on the play and even though Driskell moved up in the pocket he still gets the sack and strip
    -Throws Jordan Reed’s block off of him and tackles Gillislee for no gain



    Georgia vs Alabama
    -Is being targeted on running plays and he has nothing
    -Does not have the strength to get off the blocks and make plays
    -Nice stunt blitz inside but gets picked up well by Yeldon
    -Works up-field and around Williams before coming back down field to get his 2nd sack of the game

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    Prospect: Jake Knott, LB, Iowa State
    Height: 6’3″
    Weight: 246
    Grade: 7.0 (Grading Scale)


    Scouting Report:

    Athleticism:
    +Good positional speed, able to run around blocks.
    +Bends well, flexible body with good agility.
    +Above average leaping ability, tips a lot of balls over the middle.
    +Good size and strength profile, has room for a little more bulk.
    -2012 season ended by shoulder tear.

    Run Defense:

    +Quick and fast enough to run around blocks and get there on time.
    +Has the strength to take on guards, shed and attack the back.
    +Diagnoses plays quickly, fantastic instincts.
    +Fights through traffic, excellent hustle and motor.
    +Has a knack for creating fumbles – 10 on his career.
    -Occasionally takes poor angles to the sideline.
    -A bit too aggressive at times, will over-pursue.
    -Misses his share of tackles, comes in a bit wild at times.

    Coverage:
    +Able to stick with receivers in man coverage on crossing routes.
    +Reads patterns well in zone, breaks on the ball quickly.
    +Excellent ball skills, locates the ball very well and gets it at its highest point.
    +Good timing, able to stick his hand in and disrupt the catch.
    +Gets good depth on his drops, rarely sucked up by play action.

    Blitz:
    +Used in a variety of ways, inside/outside, stunts – limited opportunities.
    -Not a big pressure guy, totaled only 1.5 career sacks and 6 hurries.

    Intangibles:
    +Strong, vocal leader of the entire team – team captain.
    +Coach on the field, tutors younger players off the field.
    +Willing to play hurt, does whatever is needed of him – incredibly tough player.
    +Scholar athlete at Iowa State, active in the community.

    Overview:
    Knott is the type of football player that you want on your team. He exudes leadership and will do anything it takes to put your team in a winning situation.

    If you’re looking for an outside linebacker to get after the quarterback, this isn’t your guy. However, if you want a guy that flows to the ball with ease and can make plays in coverage, you’ll find a spot for Knott.

    He shouldn’t have to come off the field in the right scheme in the NFL. As a “Will” or a “Mike” in a Tampa-2 system, Knott should be a solid addition to any NFL defense.
    Scouting Notes

    Iowa State vs Oklahoma State
    -Zone drop, reading the patterns of slot receivers.
    -Good depth on zone drop, helped make QB throw it high.
    -Disguises defense well, flies in from the numbers to assist on tackle.
    -Comes on an “X” blitz, picked up by the center.
    -Recognizes screen, gets to the sideline quickly to make the tackle.



    Iowa State vs Iowa

    -Outruns block from guard, bends and able to clog up the play for a loss.
    -Drops into zone, reads the route well and forces a throwaway.
    -Great speed, covers “speedy” wide receiver on crossing route, incredible burst to the ball.
    -Nice depth on the zone drop, gets a tip on the ball.

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    #47 DE Kony Ealy*-Missouri

    -is an Aldon Smith clone, as far as body type

    -has a ridiculous vertical for a 6-5 265 lb individual

    -strong inside move put the left tackle on his back

    -very quick for his size

    -stood the left tackle up, drove him back and changed the direction of the running back

    Overview: Only a redshirt sophomore, but draft eligible. I doubt he comes out, but some team would risk a high pick on this athletic freak.

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    #28 WR TJ Moe-Missouri

    -slot WR and kickoff return man

    -catch from slot over the middle, picked up tough yards after catch

    -another tough catch, worked his tail off to pick up first down after the catch

    -slot, catches quick slant

    -makes catch on quick out, gets out of bounds quickly to kill clock

    -takes big hit on sidelines, but holds on

    -had a few plays where he showed off solid downfield blocking, locked on an attempted to drive

    -tough, gritty player

    Overview: A guy you want on your team. Will do anything for the better of the team. Makes plays out of the slot and catches everything thrown his way.

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    #93 DE Abry Jones*-Georgia

    -play came to his side, anchored down and caused a pile up

    -gets off block very easily on stunt, gets big hit on Franklin

    -pushed out of hole easily

    -has to keep his feet, could have made the play on 4th down, but was on the ground

    Overview: Fits into the 3-4 front very well. Holds his point and keeps his linebackers clean.


    #99 NT Kwame Geathers*-Georgia

    -another massive NT prospect (6-6 360 lbs)

    -comes thru line clean, gets pressure on Franklin who throws away for intentional grounding

    -OL gets under his pads, lifts and drives

    -muscled thru line

    -plays too high at times

    -went down with an upper body injury

    Overview: Georgia is stacked with huge defensive line prospects. Geathers has a strong bloodline and the skills to be an impact player next year.



    #15 WR Marlon Brown-Georgia

    -big bodied WR with huge hands

    -ran out of the slot and out wide

    -caught the quick slant from the slot, makes the catch and picks up big yards, if he picks up his feet he scores

    -finds a soft spot in the zone and sits down for an 8 yard gain

    -beat the defender to the corner, high points ball for a TD

    -big time target in traffic, not afraid of contact

    -snatches ball out of air with ease, strong hands

    -makes a tough TD catch on high ball between to defenders

    -another tough catch in traffic, picked up major YAC after breaking first tackle

    -dropped an easy ball, looked to run before securing it

    Overview: For a player with not much success in the past, he was extremely impressive. Huge body that will win most jump balls. High points the ball with huge hands.

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    Micah Hyde, CB/S, Iowa (Junior)

    Height: 6’1″
    Weight: 190
    Grade: 6.8 (Grading Scale)


    Scouting Report

    Athleticism:
    +Elite size and decent bulk/length for position
    +Not a burner, but should run in the high 4.4 / low 4.5 range
    +Functionally strong, Iowa program gets players NFL ready
    +Fluid hips, changes direction gracefully
    -Doesn’t have elite recovery speed

    Intelligence:
    +Versatile player, has played FS, CB, gunner and returned punts
    +Rarely out of position, plays a lot of NFL coverages

    Leadership:
    +Defensive leader for the Hawkeyes
    +Vocal on and off the field, gets players to show up for voluntary workouts
    +Has willingly taken on different positions to help team
    -Multiple tickets for minor off-field issues

    Zone Coverage:

    +Anticipates routes and route patterns in his zone
    +Able to break on the ball and has plus ball skills to make the interception
    +Played center field as a safety
    +Has been asked to cover halves, thirds and quarters of the field
    -Will give up too much of a cushion at times

    Man Coverage:
    +Shows good instincts and route-recognition abilities
    +Positions himself well, especially in the red zone
    +Able to disrupt a lot of catches
    -Lacks experience playing press corner, has flashed the ability
    -Recovery speed isn’t elite, will give up some easy catches due to cushion

    Run Support:
    +Disengages from blocks well on the outside
    +Solid tackling fundamentals, wraps up
    +Is able to lay a hit on a ball-carrier when needed
    -Struggled at times breaking down for open field tackles

    Overview:

    Hyde is a versatile defender that like many Iowa Hawkeye cornerbacks before him, Charles Godfrey and Amari Spievey the latest, might be better suited to the free safety position in the NFL. If Hyde is able to be more aggressive in Phil Parker’s defense this year, look for him to add to his seven career interceptions, two of which went back for touchdowns.

    vs Penn State (2011)
    -Nice pass break-up covering Derek Moye down the field.
    -High-points ball and makes a huge red-zone interception. Great position.
    -Fights off block and tackles RB in the backfield for 6-yard loss.

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    SAF Brandan Bishop-NC State
    Height: 6’2
    Weight: 210 lbs.
    Grade: 6.4 S (Grading Scale)

    Athleticism
    +Shows solid range, rolling laterally with ease
    +Stays with quicker backs and receivers who try and change direction or juke him
    -Only average speed and leaping ability, has to play farther off the line to give him extra cushion
    -Looked slow in his transition from backpedal to sprint, looks like WR’s could get behind him
    -Relies mostly on instincts and diagnostic ability to stay ahead of plays

    Intelligence
    +Extremely smart player, makes coverage adjustments on the fly and appears to be the leader of the defensive backs
    +Sees the whole field and rarely gets sucked in on play fakes
    +Stays true to his assignments and doesn’t bite on route fakes or get caught out of position on misdirection plays
    -Is more read and react that instinctual, he makes the play but often makes it after a catch is made or after the RB has gained some yardage

    Leadership
    +Defensive Back Leader, will audible coverage adjustments
    +Leads by example, not afraid to lay the big hit or toss a WR around whose trying to block him
    -At times is too over aggressive and probably should have been flagged for throwing players down after the whistle

    Zone Coverage
    +You can see a clear comfort level Bishop has when the play to stay in front of him
    +Is able to get a good break on the ball by seeing the route and watching the QB’s eyes
    +Rolls laterally with the QB as he breaks the pocket
    +Heady player who is aware of where WR’s are as they enter and exit his zone

    Man Coverage
    -Not an ideal slot cover option on WR or TE
    -Slow transition time will cause him to get eaten up
    +Could be useful by using his physicality to apply press coverage off the line of scrimmage

    Run Support
    +Has experience playing up in the box
    +Knows how to stay small in traffic and avoid getting engaged by a blocker
    +Attacks the LOS downhill when asked
    +Strong tackler who wraps up well, but can also deliver the big shot
    +Always looking to rip the ball loose

    Overview:[/B]
    Bishop is a prospect with good size, and great prodcution. Those numbers though are a bit deceiving as a lot of his INT’s have come from tipped passes. We do want give him some credit though because you still have to be in the right place at the right time to make those picks. We project Bishop to be a versatile SS in the NFL who can play deep in coverage or come up into the box. He tackles extremely well and when the play stays in front of him he’s very good at getting after the ball.

    Bishop’s best quality though may be his Football IQ and how hard it is to fake him out or make him take false steps. He’s clearly a student of the game and does more than his share of film work to identify how his opponents run their fakes.

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    Prospect: T.J. McDonald, S, USC
    Height: 6’3″
    Weight: 205
    Grade: 7.8 (Grading Scale)


    Scouting Report:

    Athleticism
    + Big, athletic frame, with good muscle tone throughout
    + Above average speed for the position, been timed at 4.48 in the forty
    + More of a straight line athlete, can get from point A to point B
    + Natural athlete, opens up hips nicely and can turn/run up field
    + Shows good hip and knee flexibility
    + Excellent burst, can get up to speed quickly
    + Big time leaper, can high point the ball and compete with WR for any 50/50 ball

    Zone Coverage
    + Plays a good center field, fast enough to get to each sideline from middle of the field
    + His range is perhaps his best asset, covers a lot of ground in all directions
    + Exhibits fundamental zone coverage skills – passing off on crossing routes, switching
    + Can recover and make up ground, closing burst is impressive
    + Likes to set up receivers and deliver the big hit
    + A true intimidator, plays physical and looks for contact
    - Takes too many bad angles and also hesitates at times
    - Over-aggressiveness leads to blown coverages as times
    - Disappears at times and needs to make more plays on the ball, only 6 PBUs last two years

    Man Coverage
    + Has shown the ability to come down and cover the slot
    + Uses his strength and size to coverage tight ends and play physically
    + Is fast enough to cover running backs out of the backfield
    - Isn’t quick enough to keep up with small and shiftier receivers
    - I would like to see his ball skills improve and intercept more passes

    Run Support
    + Physical and hard hitter
    + Shows willingness and aggressiveness to tackle in run support
    + Has the size and strength to play a hybrid S/LB role in a sub package defense in NFL
    + Can come up an fill a running lane, taking on a lead blocker and can also set a hard edge
    + Very good tackler, stays square and wraps up even in the open field
    - As like in coverage, McDonald gets overaggressive, leading to missed tackles and poor angles

    Intelligence
    + Son of former NFL Safety Tim McDonald
    + Solid recognition and anticipatory skills
    + Three year starter at FS and has shown the ability to play multiple safety spots
    + Keeps his eyes in the backfield and locks onto the QB
    - Can be indecisive at times and wait a split second especially on run/play action plays

    Leadership
    + Team Captain
    + Returned to USC for Senior season bypassing NFL despite high pick potential

    Overview:
    McDonald is a big athletic free safety who has grown up around the game and has been groomed for the position. He has shown the ability to be an effective centerfield safety with the speed to break to each sideline. He is a physical and feared hitter. The type of safety that receivers know where he is and keep their head on a swivel. McDonald will make his presence known in run support, whether it’s coming up hard and filling a running lane or setting an edge. At the NFL level McDonald’s size and strength will make him an ideal defender to cover tight ends and to get physical with bigger receivers. He does have a tendency to play too aggressive at times.

    It leads to him taking poor angles and missing tackles. Overall, McDonald’s ability to play in all aspects of the defense and provide a big physical defender in coverage will make him a hot commodity in next April’s draft.

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    Okay, now for some 'Thoughts' in the Open Thought Discussion.

    Ohio State DE John Simon will attend the Senior Bowl this offseason...but he'll do it as an outside linebacker. I really like this guys' motor, he's tough, he has shown the ability to get to the QB in the Big 10, despite some physical disadvantages...I think seeing him at OLB will be huge. Possible third round pick if the guy can prove he can be an impact player in space as well as tight to the line.

    This guy Simon could turn into a Clay Matthews type player...dynamic and tough to block. A role that I hope Miles Burris will develop into for Oakland in the coming years.




    Ohio State's Simon to play in Senior Bowl

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderAg View Post
    Okay, now for some 'Thoughts' in the Open Thought Discussion.

    Ohio State DE John Simon will attend the Senior Bowl this offseason...but he'll do it as an outside linebacker. I really like this guys' motor, he's tough, he has shown the ability to get to the QB in the Big 10, despite some physical disadvantages...I think seeing him at OLB will be huge. Possible third round pick if the guy can prove he can be an impact player in space as well as tight to the line.

    This guy Simon could turn into a Clay Matthews type player...dynamic and tough to block. A role that I hope Miles Burris will develop into for Oakland in the coming years.




    Ohio State's Simon to play in Senior Bowl
    Yeah I like Simon and he is shown to be a nice Leader for the Bucks with his Work Ethic and his Non Stop Motor and never giving up on a play . Hope he struggles though some at the senior bowl in the outside linebacker role so he hopefully stays at his 3rd round grade for now so we can at least maybe have a shot at him .
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    I'm starting to think about the Draft and the concept of Value. As a Top 5 pick, you want to bring in somebody who will basically be the face of your franchise on one side of the ball or the other. Manti Te'o is the 'IT' guy of the 2013 NFL Draft...but is he worth it at that spot? As much help as the Raiders need on defense, wouldn't a franchise left tackle (competition for Veldheer) be worth more in the long term for Oakland than a MLB who has a solid skill set and leadership qualities? It's a QB driven League, and protecting the QB comes before any of that if you ask me.

    For value, I guess my Big 3 are Joeckel, Werner and Te'o...I say Te'o just because he is such a presence, and is the total opposite of everything McClain proved to be...he'd be a true rock in the middle to build around. Werner would be an all around solid pick to help get after the QBs in the QB driven League...and Joeckel to protect the blind side of whatever QB we finally end up bringing in to develop.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderAg View Post
    I'm starting to think about the Draft and the concept of Value. As a Top 5 pick, you want to bring in somebody who will basically be the face of your franchise on one side of the ball or the other. Manti Te'o is the 'IT' guy of the 2013 NFL Draft...but is he worth it at that spot? As much help as the Raiders need on defense, wouldn't a franchise left tackle (competition for Veldheer) be worth more in the long term for Oakland than a MLB who has a solid skill set and leadership qualities? It's a QB driven League, and protecting the QB comes before any of that if you ask me.

    For value, I guess my Big 3 are Joeckel, Werner and Te'o...I say Te'o just because he is such a presence, and is the total opposite of everything McClain proved to be...he'd be a true rock in the middle to build around. Werner would be an all around solid pick to help get after the QBs in the QB driven League...and Joeckel to protect the blind side of whatever QB we finally end up bringing in to develop.

    Unfortunately there isnt always a "face of the franchise" player in every draft. Not saying there isnt in this one, I just dont know enough about the players this year to say who would be worth it early on. It looks like a solid draft as far as depth of talent but I dont see any real top of the draft studs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadBomber24 View Post
    Unfortunately there isnt always a "face of the franchise" player in every draft. Not saying there isnt in this one, I just dont know enough about the players this year to say who would be worth it early on. It looks like a solid draft as far as depth of talent but I dont see any real top of the draft studs.
    It definitely feels like a 'Depth Draft', and that's good because it's exactly what Oakland needs right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderAg View Post
    I'm starting to think about the Draft and the concept of Value. As a Top 5 pick, you want to bring in somebody who will basically be the face of your franchise on one side of the ball or the other. Manti Te'o is the 'IT' guy of the 2013 NFL Draft...but is he worth it at that spot? As much help as the Raiders need on defense, wouldn't a franchise left tackle (competition for Veldheer) be worth more in the long term for Oakland than a MLB who has a solid skill set and leadership qualities? It's a QB driven League, and protecting the QB comes before any of that if you ask me.

    For value, I guess my Big 3 are Joeckel, Werner and Te'o...I say Te'o just because he is such a presence, and is the total opposite of everything McClain proved to be...he'd be a true rock in the middle to build around. Werner would be an all around solid pick to help get after the QBs in the QB driven League...and Joeckel to protect the blind side of whatever QB we finally end up bringing in to develop.


    Te'O from what I keep reading and hearing on him from the NFL front office people is that he "He's certainly a very good first- and second-down player, with the size and strength to meet blockers," one AFC executive said. "And he did improve this year in coverage, got his hands on the ball, pick it off. He just worked to improve his game. Last year, you saw a guy who you thought might be able to do it. This year, you got more. He may be better in zone than man, but he's instinctive enough to consistently be in the right place at the right time."

    Trouble for Te'o is, typically, those types of players don't go in the top 10.

    Since 2000, only eight off-the-line (meaning non-hybrid) linebackers have gone in that range. The list is pretty hit-or-miss: LaVar Arrington, Brian Urlacher, Ernie Sims, Jerod Mayo, Keith Rivers, Aaron Curry, Rolando McClain and Luke Kuechly. Of those, only Urlacher, Mayo and McClain came in like Te'o, considered true "Mike" linebackers.

    That's not to say there isn't value in a defense's field general, or that the position has been diminished in any way. It's just that it's hard to find a player who fits both the mental and the physical profile in what the NFL seeks. "You look and see even Ray Lewis was taken in the 20s, because he was too small," an AFC college scouting director said. "Sometimes you feel like, when you're looking at that middle linebacker position, you can sacrifice some of the athletic ability to have the guy who can run your defense. That's the thing with Manti. He has the size and athleticism to be picked around 15, but he may go higher than that."

    The scouting director explained why with an example: "You see a defense where money's invested on the line and you have horses, like a Buffalo, that's missing that component in the middle, and they could say, 'Hey, we can live with his limitations,' maybe take him seventh or eighth to plug that hole, and walk away with a damn good player."

    The college director said Te'o, on tape, looks like a "bigger Lofa Tatupu" who can have a Tedy Bruschi-like impact in being a player that a club can build around. And Te'o's leadership ability -- being the centerpiece in the rise of a defense that's been lacking over the past decade, and going undefeated -- won't go unnoticed in April.

    But Te'o is far from the perfect prospect. There are more athletic linebackers in college football, like Georgia junior Alec Ogletree for one, and teams could prefer that type of player, given the matchup problems defenses are faced with weekly.

    "Speed will be a factor with Manti, because you're gonna be in a position to cover backs and tight ends at that spot, and not just on third down," the AFC exec said. "Teams throw on first and second down, so you have to be able to run and cover. You don't want liabilities in coverage in your base. I don't think he's a liability. Does he run well enough? He's not speed-deficient, but with his play speed, in covereage, there are some specific guys you'd have questions about.

    One agreement here from the evaluators is that while Kuechly might not have been the superior college player, he was a better prospect than Te'o. The Carolina Panthers rookie, they say, has better range, better top-end speed, more position flexibility, and even better instincts (Kuechly was considered on the Ray Lewis level there), in addition to being taller (Kuechly is 6-foot-3, 235 pounds; Te'o is 6-2, 255).

    "But that's not to say Te'o is a lesser player," the exec continued. "The other guy is just better all-around."

    So where does that leave Te'o? About here: a fantastic prospect viewed by most evaluators as a potential decade-long answer for a defense at the middle linebacker position. If your defense is elite, he won't be its best player. But he certainly has shown that, one day, he'd be able to lead that kind of group.

    "Leadership at that position, you put a premium on it," the AFC exec said. "He can make calls and checks, communicate to the line and the secondary, get everyone lined up properly. He can be the face of your defense. With his leadership skills, you know he'll be respected. And at that position, you're front and center, that intangible part is important."

    Now is this the sexy pick that is going to get people excited for RM is first ever 1st round pick as the Raiders GM . Well that is going to be an 99.9 % no for most Raider fans as they want the OT(Joeckel or Matthews) or they want the pass rusher (Werner/Moore or Jarvis ) or they want the Big NT Star to plug the middle up on the DL that is been a hole for us since Ted Washington and Sam Adams were manning the middle for us and not allowing the big runs up the gut on us .

    But has the Passion , High Football IQ , and Faith that RM is looking for in his players more so then anyone else in this draft that fills also the one thing that seems to be what RM is saying is needed here is Leadership and is been much confirmed by the recently released Ron Bartell to that to many times the players were not staying with their assignment and lacked Leadership player out there during the season . Can have all the Talent in the world on your roster but if everyone is doing their own thing then it doesn't matter because the team will struggle without a Leader to get them all on the same page and to stick to just doing their job and not be trying to do someone else is and giving up the big plays because of it .

    That Te'O can play all 3 linebackers spots so adds versatility to his resume then some of the other linebackers in this draft would be solid as a SLB on a team already set at the MLB spot in a 4-3 .


    Joeckel , Star, Werner both great players to and likely going to go on to have very good to great NFL careers . But do any of these 3 guys can they bring the Leadership to get the players around them to follow them ? Are they more like Ro that doesn't embrace Leadership and wants nothing to do with this as a player ?

    That we keep talking of moving to a 3-4 defense and Werner is best suited as a 4-3 player then he is at the 3-4 . That Joeckel makes us move Big V to the RT spot now as much as that is nice for us to maybe have bookend OT here . What does this do really for us with the defensive side of the ball and we see how much they need Talent upgrade over there more so then the Offense does right now .

    That Star has so much Potential in him but shows that the Passion for the game just isn't there for him all the time and he lacks Motivation in games as he is been seen taking plays off in games .
    We really want to have this with a Top 5 maybe even Top 3 pick ? That we have that now with Seymour & Kelly taking plays off because of being unmotivated .

    That Werner great all around player for us but what good is this when he is best suited for the 4-3 when we are very possibly looking at going to be changing to a 3-4 defense and he may not be able to play standing up as a rush linebacker in it ? It might be a waste of a pick and talent as we have seen with making a player playing out of his Natural position that we have seen here before with players .

    That of these 4 players then I have to side with Te'O as the pick from them if we are picking in the Top 5 of the draft .

    But the one player that I would be watching and seeing how high up the boards he can rise and I think could play standing up as a rush line backer in a 3-4 is Ansah because of his Potential is so high if he can put it all together and could be someone that we could maybe have as a bargaining chip to parley a trade down if a team falls in love with him and Reggie sees some Talented players there at those picks we could get for a trade down .
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