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    NFL.com news: Combine provides plenty of action, on and off the field

    Any time I interviewed a player, I opened with this simple statement: "From this point forward, every question I ask you, I already know the answer. Therefore, this is not a question-and-answer session, but a test to see if you will tell me the complete truth." You'd be surprised how quickly the player changed from his standard answers to the real answers. - Michael Lombardi
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    the OL and TEs have their measurements in the books:

    WalterFootball.com: 2012 NFL Draft Scouting Combine

    one big discrepancy i found: at 6'1" 251lbs, Orson Charles, who's currently Mayock's top rated TE, is 2" shorter than his listed playing height at Georgia. from 6'3" to 6'1", he's now going to be considered more as a move TE/H-back. he's literally the same size as Aaron Hernandez.

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    I'm a big fan of Prater; know less about the other guys, but I'd prefer someone who can tackle...

    I wonder why Omar Bolden didn't make the list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DustInTheWind View Post
    I'm a big fan of Prater; know less about the other guys, but I'd prefer someone who can tackle...

    I wonder why Omar Bolden didn't make the list.
    I like Prater too. I'd have no problem with bringing him in at #96...even more stoked should we land him in Round 4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderAg View Post
    I like Prater too. I'd have no problem with bringing him in at #96...even more stoked should we land him in Round 4.
    I have fears he won't make it out the 3rd...could easily be gone before the comp pick. If it happens there are definitely still some talented corners left; some that were mentioned in that article and others like Robinson and Bolden.

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    various news and notes from today's Combine.

    first from NFP:

    • Iowa OT Riley Reiff said he weighed in at 6-5, 313-pounds with “33 and something” (his words not mine) inch arms. He also discussed his wresting background and how it helped him develop as an offensive lineman with hand placement, footwork and overall endurance.

    • It was funny to hear USC OT Matt Kalil mention the fact that he is actually older than former Cowboys 2011 first round pick Tyron Smith. However, he said Smith has been a big help to him during the draft process.

    • Wisconsin OL Kevin Zeitler will be working out at both guard and center at his pro day. He said it’s important to show some versatility and he knows he can make the line calls at center. He also highlighted both Penn State DT Devon Still and Michigan State DT Jerel Worthy as the two top players he faced this year.

    • Stanford OT Jonathan Martin isn’t in agreement that USC OT Matt Kalil is the best lineman in the class. Martin said that he’s a competitor and that he has to believe that he is the best left tackle prospect in the draft.

    • Martin’s teammate TE Coby Fleener will only be bench pressing and interviewing with teams over the next couple days, referencing his high ankle sprain he suffered during training.

    • Finally, when talking with Georgia TE Orson Charles, he compared his talents to New England Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez and says he can do a lot of the similar things. He also pointed out that he likes to block and isn’t just a “flex” guy.

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    2012 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Offensive Linemen

    Ohio State tackle Mike Adams (6-7, 323) is Mr. Consistent. At the Senior Bowl, his weight was exactly the same. If anything, that helps NFL teams to know that Adams doesn't let himself get out of shape or lose bulk while just doing workouts. If Adams performs well in the on-field drills, he can solidify his stock as a late first-rounder.

    The Combine is going to be very important for Florida State offensive tackle Andrew Datko (6-6, 315). He missed the majority of the 2011 season with a shoulder injury. His physical is critical for him to show that his injury is behind him and teams shouldn't worry about him re-injuring the shoulder. Datko checked in with a slightly below average arm length of 33 7/8.

    Stanford standout guard David DeCastro (6-4, 316) had solid measurements. He was slightly shorter and heavier than his listed numbers (6-5, 310). The Combine workouts shouldn't have much of an impact on him, but the interviews could push a team to feeling they have to come away with him on draft day. He was known as a leader in the Stanford locker room.

    Like Adams, Georgia guard/tackle Cordy Glenn (6-5, 345) was spot on with his Senior Bowl measurements. Glenn's arms (35 3/4) were some of the longest of any of the offensive linemen. That will help his argument to be considered as a tackle for teams needing an edge blocker.

    The consensus top rated offensive linemen, USC left tackle Matt Kalil, checked in at 6-foot-6, 306-pounds. That is a little shorter and heavier than his stated weight (6-7, 295). Kalil's arm length (34 1/2) was nothing to be concerned about. His bench press number will be worth noting because he could use some more power for run blocking.

    One has to laugh at Washington tackle/guard Senio Kelemete (6-4, 307) growing an inch and gaining seven pounds from the Senior Bowl. He measured in at 6-foot-3, 300-pounds in Mobile. Obviously, there was some human error in one of the measurements, but if Kelemete could continue to add height, it could help his draft status.

    The top-rated center in the draft, Wisconsin's Peter Konz, had a respectable check-in at 6-foot-5, 314-pounds. His arm length (33) isn't a concern for an interior lineman.

    Stanford offensive tackle Jonathan Martin (6-5, 312) produced some solid measurements, and his arm length (34 inches) shouldn't hurt his stock. If he shows good athleticism in the field drills, he could get a nice boost from the Combine.

    Ole Miss offensive tackle Bobby Massie (6-6, 316) is a powerful lineman. His strength is even more impressive with his long arms (35 inches). Massie is a sleeper day-two prospect who could yield a big reward at the next level.

    Iowa State guard/tackle Kelechi Osemele (6-6, 333) had the longest arms of any of the offensive linemen at the Combine (35 7/8). That should help his stock and illustrate why he could be a right tackle in the NFL. His weight is the same from Senior Bowl, but if he dropped down into the low 320s, that might help his quickness and ability to mirror speed rushers.

    Boise State offense tackle Nate Potter (6-6, 303) is lighter than most, but he had quality arm length (34 5/8). He has been a good pass protector in his collegiate career and had the body type to match up with speed rushers. He needs to show some quick feet in the on field drills.

    One of the rising prospects in the past couple months has been Iowa left tackle Riley Reiff, who went from the teens to the top 10 and passed Jonathan Martin as the second-rated tackle by many pundits. Reiff (6-5, 313) had good height and weight, but his arm length (33 1/4) is a little shorter than expected. Some teams will be concerned about his arms being less than ideal for a franchise left tackle.

    Florida State offensive tackle Zebrie Sanders must have been drinking the same water as Kelemete because Sanders grew from his Senior Bowl measurements. In Mobile about a month ago, the former Seminole was 6-foot-5, 308-pounds. He checked in at 6-foot-6, 320-pounds Thursday. He had a bad performance at the Senior Bowl and needs a good Combine to help change his momentum.


    2012 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Tight Ends

    Clemson tight end Dwayne Allen (6-3, 255) is thickly built. If he runs well at that size that could help his stock, as many teams will like the size he brings to run blocking. There were only two tight ends that were heavier than Allen.

    Georgia tight end Orson Charles has been hitting the gym. Charles (6-2, 251) was an inch shorter and 10 pounds heavier than his listed weight in college. That added bulk could make Charles a better blocker.

    Stanford tight end Coby Fleener (6-6, 247) won't run at the combine because of an ankle injury. His 10-inch hands were the third largest of any of the tight ends. Fleener is a late first-round or high second-round pick right now. A strong Combine could have helped push him into Round 1. Now teams will have to wait until his Pro Day to get a gauge on his foot speed.

    Louisiana-Lafayette tight end Ladarius Green (6-6, 238) needs to add some more bulk to his frame. Green did tie with Oregon's David Paulson for the largest hands of any tight end. If he is unable to add weight, he could be pigeonholed into a receiving, situational tight end. He also could be considered as an H-back, but it would be ideal if he could add 12 pounds to be a viable three-down tight end. Green weighed the least of any tight end at the combine.

    The title of largest blocking tight end belongs to UCLA's Cory Harkey (6-4, 260). Teams that need a goal-line tight end could give him a hard look as a late-round pick.

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    NFL Videos: Who we want to see?

    Shocker, Michael Irvin talks about a big, fast, Al Davis-esque specimen from The U in Tommy Streeter.


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    bench press numbers for OL and TEs:

    notable prospects:

    C David Molk Michigan *41*
    OG David DeCastro Stanford *34*
    OG Kevin Zeitler Wisconsin *32*
    OG Kelechi Osemele Iowa State *32*
    OT Ryan Miller Colorado *32*
    OG Cordy Glenn Georgia *31*
    OT Brandon Mosley Auburn *30*
    OT Zebrie Sanders Florida State *28*
    OG Brandon Washington Miami *28*
    OG Amini Silatolu Midwestern State *28*
    OG Mitchell Schwartz Cal *23*
    OT Nate Potter Boise State *22*
    OT Bobby Massie Ole Miss *22*
    OT Mike Adams Ohio State *19*
    C Pete Konz Wisconsin *18*
    OT Jonathan Martin Stanford DNP
    OT Andrew Datko Florida State DNP

    TE Orson Charles Georgia *35*
    TE Dwayne Allen Clemson *27*
    TE Coby Fleener Stanford *27*
    TE Michael Egnew Mizzou *21*
    TE Deangelo Peterson LSU *18*
    TE Ladarius Green Louisana-Lafayette *16*

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    Wide Receivers Weigh-In

    2012 NFL Combine: Weigh-In Recap - Wide Receivers

    So much for the reports that South Carolina wide receiver Alshon Jeffery was pushing 250 pounds. At the 2012 NFL Combine, Jeffery checked in at 6-foot-3, 216-pounds, which is a significant drop compared to his listed measurements of 6-4 and 230 pounds. If Jeffery runs well, he could send a charge into his draft stock. At the very least from the weigh-in, Jeffery helped prove to teams that he is not lazy and takes his conditioning seriously. Jeffery (10 1/4) also tied for the second-largest hands of any receiver in Indianapolis.

    Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon (6-1, 207) was the same height as his listed measurement although he was eight pounds lighter. Blackmon made some news when he said he won't run the 40-yard dash because he pulled a hamstring in training. Blackmon's Pro Day is on March 9, so teams won't have to wait long to see Blackmon's 40 time.

    A player who is expected to be one of the leaders in the 40-yard dash is Baylor wide receiver Kendall Wright. At the weigh-in, Wright (5-10, 196) was the same height and six pounds heavier than his listed measurements. Having the same height was helpful for Wright. One negative were his small hands (8 5/8). If Wright runs well, he can continue to push his way towards the top half of the first round.

    Notre Dame wide receiver Michael Floyd had solid measurements at 6-foot-3, 220-pounds. Floyd is a solid receiver with quickness. His 40 time may not set the world on fire, but as long as the results are respectable, he shouldn't be downgraded.

    The wide receiver who had the largest hands was Arizona's Juron Criner at 10 1/2. Criner (6-3, 224) had a strong week at the Senior Bowl that really improved his draft stock. If he runs well and continues with a solid Combine, he could go early on the second day of the 2012 NFL Draft.

    An underrated wide receiver who had solid measurements was Iowa's Marvin McNutt. At 6-foot-3, 216-pounds, McNutt is put together well with some quickness. He also had a quality hand size (10 inches). McNutt may not have a fast 40-yard dash, but he is a well-balanced athlete who should be solid in the on-field drills.

    Wake Forest wide receiver Chris Givens (5-11, 198) was a little shorter and lighter than expected. However, he is a speed receiver with adequate size to be a slot and deep threat weapon in the NFL.

    An interesting prospect who has good size and rumors of special speed is Georgia Tech's wide receiver Stephen Hill. He was underutilized by the Yellow Jackets, as they favor their option running attack, though he showed some big play ability by averaging almost 30 yards per catch in 2011. If Hill (6-4, 215) runs a fast 40 time, he could see a nice boost in his stock.

    North Carolina wide receiver Dwight Jones (6-3, 230) was the heaviest wide receiver at the Combine, weighing in four pounds heavier than a month ago. Jones had a disappointing Senior Bowl, so he needs to have a strong performance on the field Sunday. If he runs well, his weight won't be a problem, but if he has a slow 40 time, he could slide into the third day of the 2012 NFL Draft.

    Surprisingly, the wide receiver who had the smallest hands was Michigan State's B.J. Cunningham at 8 1/8. Considering that Cunningham (6-1, 211) is not an undersized receiver, it was startling that his hands were smaller than the receivers who were sub 5-10 and 190 pounds.

    The tallest wideout at the Combine was Miami's Tommy Streeter. He checked in at 6-foot-5, 219-pounds. The lanky Streeter made some big plays downfield last season. He is a long strider who could produce a quality 40 time.

    Rutgers wide receiver Mohamed Sanu (6-2, 211) hit his targets from a height and weight perspective, but his hand size really stood out. Many receivers with similar heights and weights did not have hands as large as Sanu's (10 1/8). The average measurement for receivers was in the nine range.

    Ryan Broyles (5-10, 192) is still recovering from his torn ACL and slight meniscus tear from early November. Broyles won't be able to work out at the Combine and is hoping to be able to hold a Pro Day in April to show his progress to NFL evaluators.

    Another receiver who helped himself at the Senior Bowl was Cal's Marvin Jones. He tied for the second-largest hands of any receiver at the Combine (10 1/4). Jones (6-2, 199) is a bit of a sleeper prospect who could surprise at the next level.

    The second-shortest wideout was Alabama's Marquis Maze at 5-foot-8, 186-pounds. He was just a tad smaller than Fresno State's Devon Wylie (5-9, 187). Both edge out Oregon State's James Rodgers (5-7, 184). Maze will probably be looked at more for special teams than as a contributor on offense. Wylie has a big history with injuries, so his physical was very important for him to show those injuries are healed.

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