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[MadBomber24]

Taking Chris Long with the 4th pick would be a huge mistake. The problem we had last season was not from our outside rush. It was that we could not stop anything that came right up the middle. Last time I checked Long does not play inside tackle. Yes, iI would love to see the son of Howie out there causing havoc for us but in reality I would really love to see all the money we invested in our secondary go to good use because if we cant stop the the run, who cares what kind of secondary we have. Remember we ranked 31st against the run last season. If he's there Dorsey has to be the pick.

Acutally the problem was that not a single d-linemen last year had any ability to stop the run. It wasnt just inside. It was outside as well. Our De's were terrible and outside of Clemens (who is gone now) our pass rush wasnt very good either last year. Long would fill just as big a need position as Dorsey or Ellis. Long (assuming he works out which can be said about any player in the draft) is stout against the run and can bring pressure as well. He is an every down player which is somthing we do not have anything close to at DE right now. No way should the Raiders take Ellis at #4 if either Long or Dorsey is there (or IMO if McFadden is there as well but he is 3rd behind the other 2 imo). If the Raiders trade back a couple spots to 6 or 7 I can see them taking Ellis but I dont really know if that can or will happen.
But C. Long is absolutely a player that can fill a gigantic need for the Raiders. Just because DE isnt the BIGGEST need, doesnt mean it isnt a HUGE need. The Raiders have won 19 games in 5 years, and only 4 last year they have MANY gigantic holes to fill on both sides of the ball.

[BayArea831]

Well thats because Al Davis is the primary shot caller on defense. Somebody had a quote where Davis said that Rob Ryan doesn't have full control over the defense even though he is the defensive coordinator. Im gonna look for the link. BRB....

That's somethin I was already aware of poke.....Al makes every decision, dealing with anything Raider related....and anyone who thinks different just is blind to the facts

[BayArea831]

Acutally the problem was that not a single d-linemen last year had any ability to stop the run. It wasnt just inside. It was outside as well. Our De's were terrible and outside of Clemens (who is gone now) our pass rush wasnt very good either last year. Long would fill just as big a need position as Dorsey or Ellis. Long (assuming he works out which can be said about any player in the draft) is stout against the run and can bring pressure as well. He is an every down player which is somthing we do not have anything close to at DE right now. No way should the Raiders take Ellis at #4 if either Long or Dorsey is there (or IMO if McFadden is there as well but he is 3rd behind the other 2 imo). If the Raiders trade back a couple spots to 6 or 7 I can see them taking Ellis but I dont really know if that can or will happen.
But C. Long is absolutely a player that can fill a gigantic need for the Raiders. Just because DE isnt the BIGGEST need, doesnt mean it isnt a HUGE need. The Raiders have won 19 games in 5 years, and only 4 last year they have MANY gigantic holes to fill on both sides of the ball.

Exactly

[POKE]

The problem with our running game is Rob Ryan and our LB being outta position. I think the signing of Wilson will help out alot more than people think but its going to be on Ryan to attack the run instead of always dropping back and then having the players react to the run. Ryan is so damn predictable with his play calls its not even funny. Does this guy even watch film of the other teams offense during the week? More than a dlineman we need a run stopping MLB, word up!!!!!!

Gotta go against ya boss. I think Rob Ryan is only calling the plays he is "allowed" to call. And say what you want. Rob Ryan has put his defenders in the right place at the right times at times as well. But when bums are out there wiffin tackles that they get paid millions to make thats not on Rob Ryan. Players have to start being accountable. We can't the the red dot on coaches heads all the time.

[POKE]

Acutally the problem was that not a single d-linemen last year had any ability to stop the run. It wasnt just inside. It was outside as well. Our De's were terrible and outside of Clemens (who is gone now) our pass rush wasnt very good either last year. Long would fill just as big a need position as Dorsey or Ellis. Long (assuming he works out which can be said about any player in the draft) is stout against the run and can bring pressure as well. He is an every down player which is somthing we do not have anything close to at DE right now. No way should the Raiders take Ellis at #4 if either Long or Dorsey is there (or IMO if McFadden is there as well but he is 3rd behind the other 2 imo). If the Raiders trade back a couple spots to 6 or 7 I can see them taking Ellis but I dont really know if that can or will happen.
But C. Long is absolutely a player that can fill a gigantic need for the Raiders. Just because DE isnt the BIGGEST need, doesnt mean it isnt a HUGE need. The Raiders have won 19 games in 5 years, and only 4 last year they have MANY gigantic holes to fill on both sides of the ball.

Good post.

The Raiders have won 19 games in 5 years, and only 4 last year they have MANY gigantic holes to fill on both sides of the ball.

And the foundation of a football team is both offensive and defensive lines. Not CBs and secondary. Just like you build a house from the ground foundation on up. You don't start with a roof and windows. But hey...

[cat444]

i agree we need a dt fbecause i prefer to have dorsey or ellis at DT and keep kelly at De but for the raiders kelly is the guy , i doubt raiders will spend again a lot of money for a DT , i still think mccafden will be the pick , but my pick is gholston

[Live.B.A.Raida]

Kelly is more of a pass rusher than he is a run stopper

i think it's the other way around.... in his best season for sacks he got 5, in his best season for tackles he had 70...

[ErMonnezza]

Taking Chris Long with the 4th pick would be a huge mistake. The problem we had last season was not from our outside rush. It was that we could not stop anything that came right up the middle. Last time I checked Long does not play inside tackle. Yes, iI would love to see the son of Howie out there causing havoc for us but in reality I would really love to see all the money we invested in our secondary go to good use because if we cant stop the the run, who cares what kind of secondary we have. Remember we ranked 31st against the run last season. If he's there Dorsey has to be the pick.

please god , let us make this terrible mistake!!!!!!

long has the awareness to read the offense that leads him to make plays in every situations
if you look for a run stuffer look at this guy:
NFL Events: Draft Player Profiles - Red Bryant
he is falling in the 3rd round because he suffers an injury and played only half season but if you look at his figures vs the run and at Ta&m D figures without him....................
ah, we don't have a 3rd rd ......without a trade..........

[Live.B.A.Raida]

please god , let us make this terrible mistake!!!!!!

long has the awareness to read the offense that leads him to make plays in every situations
if you look for a run stuffer look at this guy:
NFL Events: Draft Player Profiles - Red Bryant
he is falling in the 3rd round because he suffers an injury and played only half season but if you look at his figures vs the run and at Ta&m D figures without him....................
ah, we don't have a 3rd rd ......without a trade..........

what about Okam?

[Raider Ran]

More draft threads in the wrong forum.. Moved to Draft Room. 3 1/2 days more.

[LOUISVILLE R8R]

the problem isn't our secondary when it comes to stopping the run its about the rb getting into the secondary. the dline isn't stopping the run and our linebackers are getting out of position and or aren't making the tackle. if any rb we face continually gets in our secondary then we are going to be in for long day.

just like in war your first line of defense has to hold up if not push back.

Our line backers are out of position because they are having to roll over for pass coverage which means our DE's are having to play back which opens up the run. Wilson and Hall should alleviate much of that and allow our LB's and DE"s to stay in position.

[O-townupnorth]

What round is Red Bryant expected to go?

He is my pick for the 4th if he drops that far, I can see him going in the third tho. ( I took him at end of Round 2 in the Mock draft in Premium lol)

[or24]

ok...i disagree i think that Ryan has call the correct plays and i think our players haven't executed them correctly...by either not reading plays correctly or just putting them selves out of position.

What would you want ryan to call or do instead that he wasnt doing or doing wrong?

i mean i dont see the problem being the calls from ryan i see our defensive line being a pass rush first that put themselves out of position.

It's both playcalling AND execution. It's not his fault player miss tackles or make mistakes on the field, but it is his fault that we rarely give any different looks on defense at all. Every single play is cover 1 man defense with 4 guys coming. Maybe it's all Al, but the playcalling is definitely a factor.

Acutally the problem was that not a single d-linemen last year had any ability to stop the run. It wasnt just inside. It was outside as well. Our De's were terrible and outside of Clemens (who is gone now) our pass rush wasnt very good either last year. Long would fill just as big a need position as Dorsey or Ellis. Long (assuming he works out which can be said about any player in the draft) is stout against the run and can bring pressure as well. He is an every down player which is somthing we do not have anything close to at DE right now. No way should the Raiders take Ellis at #4 if either Long or Dorsey is there (or IMO if McFadden is there as well but he is 3rd behind the other 2 imo). If the Raiders trade back a couple spots to 6 or 7 I can see them taking Ellis but I dont really know if that can or will happen.
But C. Long is absolutely a player that can fill a gigantic need for the Raiders. Just because DE isnt the BIGGEST need, doesnt mean it isnt a HUGE need. The Raiders have won 19 games in 5 years, and only 4 last year they have MANY gigantic holes to fill on both sides of the ball.

You are correct. All our dlinemen and even our linebackers are SOFT. I watched the packers game over and over and I saw how horrible our de's were against the run. Clemons was EXTREMELY inconsistent as a pass rusher and imo is just too short to be a defensive lienman. He was a linebacker before this past year. Someone else besides Burgess HAS to get sacks, and that will probably be Gholston this year imo.