3 very logical trades

[darkside92029]

1st-trade our first and fabian washington to detriot for there first and sean rogers and roy williams the lions need db help and could use that top pick they get from us on mcfadden and in return we get a run stopper and a great #1 reciever

2nd- we trade our first to dallas for there 2 firsts bobby carpenter or marcus spears and a third then dallas can get dmac and we can get a good mlb or de and 2 firsts which we can use for a reciever and dline

3rd-we trade our first to the jets for a third and vilma we need a good run stopping line backer and jets need a good de which they will have a chance a chris long with our pick

[psycho5150]

All our logical to me except our first for just their 3rd and Vilma throw a 2nd or Nick Mangold and I'm good!

[Raiders NY]

Originally Posted by darkside92029

1st-trade our first and fabian washington to detriot for there first and sean rogers and roy williams the lions need db help and could use that top pick they get from us on mcfadden and in return we get a run stopper and a great #1 reciever

2nd- we trade our first to dallas for there 2 firsts bobby carpenter or marcus spears and a third then dallas can get dmac and we can get a good mlb or de and 2 firsts which we can use for a reciever and dline

3rd-we trade our first to the jets for a third and vilma we need a good run stopping line backer and jets need a good de which they will have a chance a chris long with our pick

#1.No a 1st and Fabian is a bit too much.

2.Eh....I want more value than two late 1st rd picks. Carpenter was a high pick but he has done absolutely NOTHING in the NFL.You should consider it but we need a impact player that can be a big piece to the puzzle. There is a reason we are picking in the top 5. We aren't very talented.

3.HELL NO That is WAY TOO MUCH

No disrespect but I honestly wouldn't do any of these trades. MAybe the Cowboys but 2 late 1sts don't interest me as much as a high top 5 pick.

[Bo_Knows34]

Was the Jets one supposed to be:

Raiders trade #3/4 to the Jets for #6, 3rd round and Vilma? Because that would make more sense.

[Raiders NY]

Originally Posted by Bo_Knows34

Was the Jets one supposed to be:

Raiders trade #3/4 to the Jets for #6, 3rd round and Vilma? Because that would make more sense.

Thats what I was wondering. If it's that I would take it in a heartbeat.

[r8der51o]

These trades make no sense to me. Teams are giving up too much for not much in return.

[or24]

lmao NONE are logical. The 1st and 2nd one we get way too much. The 3rd one we give up way too much. Go look up the word logical.

[raiderwood]

Originally Posted by darkside92029

1st-trade our first and fabian washington to detriot for there first and sean rogers and roy williams the lions need db help and could use that top pick they get from us on mcfadden and in return we get a run stopper and a great #1 reciever

2nd- we trade our first to dallas for there 2 firsts bobby carpenter or marcus spears and a third then dallas can get dmac and we can get a good mlb or de and 2 firsts which we can use for a reciever and dline

3rd-we trade our first to the jets for a third and vilma we need a good run stopping line backer and jets need a good de which they will have a chance a chris long with our pick

wow yeah those are pretty bad, sorry bud. I mentioned vilma in another posting, and it makes sense for us to get vilma (26 yrs old) as well as the #6 to pick either OL or DL at that spot. We'd probably have to give up a player or a pick in addition to #3/4. My vote's Porter in a sign-and-trade. We MUST use our second rd pick on a WR though, which is ok because there should be some good choices there.

[HOFBoundBrown]

Why do people want to give up our first for Williams? He is in the last year of his contract and had a par season last year, plus they are stacked at WR. They would take our second round pick for him. Fabian and our first? That gives me de ja vu of the Randy Moss trade.

[gdamac]

I like the 1st and the 3rd (which I assume includes their 1st pick), but the 2nd, we need more value. Throw in James Marten or Doug Free or a 2nd in '09.

[Mytruckhercar]

I'm more interested in trying to trade some of the players away from the Raiders for picks. Like Brayton, Washington, Sims and Schweigert. Yeah, I know this would be a difficult thing to accomplish, but dreamin ' is still free, right?

[darkside92029]

Originally Posted by Bo_Knows34

Was the Jets one supposed to be:

Raiders trade #3/4 to the Jets for #6, 3rd round and Vilma? Because that would make more sense.

yah i forgot to throw in the third

[marrow]

Originally Posted by or24

lmao NONE are logical. The 1st and 2nd one we get way too much. The 3rd one we give up way too much. Go look up the word logical.

Why are these NOT logical? Break it down, what doesn't make sense, give examples of player values in your own opinion, use the draft value chart. Its better to give constructive criticism rather than just make fun of the guy.

I had broken down the first trade in another post of mine some time ago. Granted I added Jordan into the mix but his value is fairly negligible.

Originally Posted by marrow

Ive been thinking about this exact scenario for some time and although I like Roy Williams a great deal his health has been a concern. I doubt Detroit could get more than a 2nd for him. Shaun Rogers is also a concern with his playing condition and I think packaged together we could do something like:

Swap 1st round pick, send Lamont Jordan, Fabian Washington/Michael Huff for Roy Williams and Shaun Rogers.

Swapping alone from 3-5 to 15 is a mid round first round draft pick, a 700-1000 pt value. That should be enough to entice Millen to give up Roy and I think Rogers can be had for Washington and Jordan. Fabs fits nicely into a tampa 2 where speed is more valued than size and Jordan provides additional depth and a chance to start.

At 15 we still could have the opportunity to pick an impact player such as OT, RB, or DE.

So according to this I value Roy Williams as a late 1st round or a high second round draft pick. With that said I doubt they could get more than a 2nd for him due to his contract status and his past health concerns. Rogers is kind of an unknown because of his determination to play in the NFL. But either way I think he does not have a value higher than a 2nd either. I rate Fabian, especially in a Tampa 2 where his speed will really allow him to shine, about a 2nd and remember we got a 2nd and a 3rd for Buchanan who was half the player Washington is.

So by Math,
3/4 = 2200/1800
15 = 1050
Roy Williams (High Second lets say #5) = 530
Shaun Rogers (Mid Second lets say #15) 430
Fabian Washington (Mid/late Second lets say #20) = 380

Therefore
Scenario 1, Oakland at #3
2200 + 380 - (1050 + 530 + 430) = 2580 - 2010 = 570 overage

Scenario 2, Oakland at #4
1800 + 380 - (1050 + 530 + 430) = 2180 - 2010 = 170 overage

Play with all the numbers as you wish but a Roy Williams who is a premier WR in the league but who has a desire to go to Texas, is in his last year of his contract, and has only played one full year healthy in the NFL is not a Randy Moss type of deal. He is in my opinion a little more than a Javon Walker or Dion Branch type deal. Both were had for a 2nd or low 1st. Shaun Rogers with weight problems, motivation problems, knee problems, and cannot play an entire game is not a premier player either in this league.

Say what you want but the trade IS logical.