Dont play, I dont care!

[Raideriam]

Sick and tired of sports being political.

[psly2124]

Everyone with brain is as well. They will not be missed.

[raiderman41]

Sick and tired of sports being political.

Sports is probably the one thing that brought Americans together more than anything else in America the past 50 years.

And now it's dividing America.

That alone makes it a stupid decision to use sports for politics.

[mstrbass2000]

Sports is probably the one thing that brought Americans together more than anything else in America the past 50 years.

And now it's dividing America.

That alone makes it a stupid decision to use sports for politics.

race wars continues...thanks to national media complex and democrats

[andrewevenstar]

if you think the NFL and it's players won't pull this shyt --- you're wrong. i'm done with the nba until they apologize and make better decisions. i don't even have plans to watch the NFL, as much as i love my Raiders.

[psly2124]

race wars continues...thanks to national media complex and democrats

The media want to make it into a race war. But it's really a war against the haves and the have nots. The have nots are mad that they have nothing and burn down buildings and property of the the people that have something. It's communist revolution plain and simple.

[psly2124]

if you think the NFL and it's players won't pull this shyt --- you're wrong. i'm done with the nba until they apologize and make better decisions. i don't even have plans to watch the NFL, as much as i love my Raiders.


I have not watched and NBA game in well over 10 years. I couldn't watch the players crying about a foul every time they shoot the ball and flopping and screaming at referees.

[andrewevenstar]

I have not watched and NBA game in well over 10 years. I couldn't watch the players crying about a foul every time they shoot the ball and flopping and screaming at referees.

yeah. i loved kobe, tried to stay for lebron, even went to his first game in LA. what a waste of money - i'm 100% done with the NBA. i already wasn't watching. lol the nba plays by middle school rules, supports china over the usa --- what a joke. lebron is an idiot.

[ILRaidersfan23]

Finally, something we can all agree on!

[raiderman41]

I have not watched and NBA game in well over 10 years. I couldn't watch the players crying about a foul every time they shoot the ball and flopping and screaming at referees.

to the NBA on WBZ Radio out of Boston. I was just a kid. Loved the Celtics. Loved Bill Russell and all of the Celtics. At first I didn't know if they were black, white, brown or orange. Didn't care. Loved the Celtics.

I turned on one Celtics game this year and saw the Black Lives Matter logo on the court. Turned off the TV. So, here's a sports league comprised mostly of black athletes, supporting a Marxist organization that supports the end of capitalism. 1) It's stupid to support such an organization when capitalism is the reason why you're making millions, 2) BLM has done nothing for black people. Maybe they've raised awareness but they've also shaken down businesses for money. They're pathetic.

Numbers are funny things. BLM is all about police killing black people. Compared to black on black crime, fatherless homes in black families, drug use, health issues and terrible inner city schools, the issue of cops killing black people is like a single grain of sand in a kiddie pool filled with sand. Focus on the real issues facing black communities!

In my life, I have done a helluva lot more to help black people have better careers and better lives than BLM has ever done. I'm one person.

I will no longer watch the NBA.

[psly2124]

to the NBA on WBZ Radio out of Boston. I was just a kid. Loved the Celtics. Loved Bill Russell and all of the Celtics. At first I didn't know if they were black, white, brown or orange. Didn't care. Loved the Celtics.

I turned on one Celtics game this year and saw the Black Lives Matter logo on the court. Turned off the TV. So, here's a sports league comprised mostly of black athletes, supporting a Marxist organization that supports the end of capitalism. 1) It's stupid to support such an organization when capitalism is the reason why you're making millions, 2) BLM has done nothing for black people. Maybe they've raised awareness but they've also shaken down businesses for money. They're pathetic.

Numbers are funny things. BLM is all about police killing black people. Compared to black on black crime, fatherless homes in black families, drug use, health issues and terrible inner city schools, the issue of cops killing black people is like a single grain of sand in a kiddie pool filled with sand. Focus on the real issues facing black communities!

In my life, I have done a helluva lot more to help black people have better careers and better lives than BLM has ever done. I'm one person.

I will no longer watch the NBA.

They don't want to acknowledge the real issues in the community. That means they would have to correct the issue themselves. It's easy to point blame at capitalism, the cops, the wealthy, the business owner.
Its isn't easy to accept responsibility, thats why playing the victim is popular

[bk]

race wars continues...thanks to national media complex and democrats

National media and democrats have nothing to do with police using excessive force and killing people

[bk]

* Moved thread to the Everything Else forum

[Garner25]

National media and democrats have nothing to do with police using excessive force and killing people

Sorry but if mr. Blake wouldnt have threatned to go get a gun out of his car, then tried to get into his car he wouldnt have got shot...He was also wanted for sexual assault,domestic violence and trespassing..Blacks need to stop being the most violent aggresive people in our country...Black LIES Matter

Just to also remind folks EVERY year more whites are shot by police than blacks...ALL LIVES MATTER, BLUE LIVES MATTER

[RAIDERMAN818]

National media and democrats have nothing to do with police using excessive force and killing people

Bull. They constantly demonize the police and attempt to make martyrs and heros out of thugs like Mike Brown.

Are there instances of unjustified killings and use of excessive force ? You bet.

But the narrative that blacks are continually being 'hunted down' and 'exterminated' by Amerikkka's systemically racist police forces is complete and utter bullshit.

That's a lie that the leftists and their media stooges are all too happy to promulgate.

Blue lives matter.

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

[mstrbass2000]

democrats allowed it,national media to this day still call it peaceful protest and if everyone of these black thugs listened and cooperated they would all be alive

ps the black lives matter movement was created on a lie,even obama/holders f.b.i said so

[raiderman41]

National media and democrats have nothing to do with police using excessive force and killing people

No they don't, but if you look at the statistics, this is an issue that is but a grain of sand in a child's pool full of sand.

The other issues affecting the black community, including terrible inner city schools, fatherless families, drug/alcohol abuse, health issues, children dropping out of school and gang membership are the rest of the sand in that entire pool full of sand. The media and a few politicians keep pushing the narrative of police killing black people to keep America divided and to divert attention from the real issues affecting the black community.

If no member of law enforcement killed another black person in 2021, you would still have gang violence, drop outs, terrible education, black on black crime, drug and alcohol abuse, health issues that would continue to harm this community much more than police excessive force.

In fact, over 80 percent of black Americans (according to a recent poll https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-retain-local-presence.aspx) realize this and want the same or even more police presence in their communities because of the real issues that face this community.

[Imasmashu]

It’s difficult to converse with people who condemn and dismiss another American’s point of view about basic civil rights or use of excessive force from police. There’s not much room for communication or relating when one either side are closed in this manner.

The use of excessive force by police against black Americans is a systemic race problem specific to America. If you haven’t gathered this from American history, using some semblance of basic human logic to connect the proliferation of this problem to current events, you are lost. The lack of acknowledgement of a problem repeats the symptoms.

It’s fairly easy to conclude that most of the fans on this site who are tired of the NBA or the politics of the players would retract their keyboard warrior opinion if they were in the room with some of their favorite athletes talking about this systemic problem.

[Imasmashu]

Use your closed minded logic that continues to blame the victim in order to hold them accountable for a separate problem.Same bs personal responsibility crusade that Giuliani — a politician — used to attack the victim. He’s not the first. The problem is exacerbated behind this logic.

For anybody who can’t read between the lines: It doesn’t work.

[illusin]

If you make threats that you have a weapon including a firearm in your car and blatenly ignoring officer direction as you reach into said vehicle i don't feel sorry for you. All you have to do is follow simple task direction, if you have a issue with either the way someone is treating/talking to you or handling you get his badge number and file a complaint or talk to the judge about it. At least you will be alive to do so, but you become agitated fight and do your non compliance that's what is gonna happen. Ive been pulled out at gun point i complied with the officers wishes and I'm still alive lol. Fought it in court as well.

You 100% have choices in life, if you make the wrong decision it could cost you your life, simple fact of the matter.

[jgrange]

I support the worker over the owner every time. It's good to see players standing up for a cause and causing people to be very uncomfortable with something that has gone on for far too long.

[jgrange]

Blacks need to stop being the most violent aggresive people in our country...

Just to also remind folks EVERY year more whites are shot by police than blacks...ALL LIVES MATTER, BLUE LIVES MATTER

When will these racist scumbags be banned?

Just to remind YOU, there are more white people by far than black which is why the total numbers are higher. This is basic elementary understanding of numbers. However, the rates that it happens per capita to black Americans are higher than it is for whites.

[jgrange]

to the NBA on WBZ Radio out of Boston. I was just a kid. Loved the Celtics. Loved Bill Russell and all of the Celtics. At first I didn't know if they were black, white, brown or orange. Didn't care. Loved the Celtics.

If you were actually a real fan then you would've been there to know Bill Russell staged a walkout in 1961. A real fan would know that.

[DonkeyHater]

the NBA has been a done deal for me for years. HATE the game. Major league baseball has now lost me. And I was a loyal one....SMH

[Imasmashu]

If you make threats that you have a weapon including a firearm in your car and blatenly ignoring officer direction as you reach into said vehicle i don't feel sorry for you. All you have to do is follow simple task direction, if you have a issue with either the way someone is treating/talking to you or handling you get his badge number and file a complaint or talk to the judge about it. At least you will be alive to do so, but you become agitated fight and do your non compliance that's what is gonna happen. Ive been pulled out at gun point i complied with the officers wishes and I'm still alive lol. Fought it in court as well.

You 100% have choices in life, if you make the wrong decision it could cost you your life, simple fact of the matter.
This post concludes he deserved to be shot. That’s unbelievable to consider that this officer was justified. There is more to this story than we have heard, but being shot 7 times in the back is excessive force. I heard the report about a knife in the car. Did you know he also had his children in the backseat who were crying?

This is the exact reason why black people feel targeted. Police kill unarmed black people with impunity and the response is, “well, he probably deserved it.”

The difference between black people killing other black people and police killing black people is that the black civilians are prosecuted and convicted, while police are not charged.

[Imasmashu]

the NBA has been a done deal for me for years. HATE the game. Major league baseball has now lost me. And I was a loyal one....SMH

That’s personal preference many fans in this post share, unlike the rest of the world.

“ It's been a long time coming, but it might be time to finally make it official: The NBA has surpassed MLB as America's second-biggest sports league. ... For the first time ever, the average value of an NBA team ($1.9 Billion) is worth more than the average value of an MLB team ($1.7 Billion), according to Forbes.Apr 11, 2019”

Also link: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/05/why-nba-players-make-more-money-than-mlb-and-nfl-athletes.html

[illusin]

Maybe you should not make verbal threats about having a gun in the car, regardless of if there is one there or not and complying with law enforcement. You can try and make excuses for his bad decisions but at the end of the day its exactly that. HIS BAD DECISIONS led to him getting shot, he made verbal threats about a probable weapon which has been confirmed. I'm sorry but if i am given task direction i listen i don't do the exact opposite of what I'm being told.

[Raideriam]

This post concludes he deserved to be shot. That’s unbelievable to consider that this officer was justified. There is more to this story than we have heard, but being shot 7 times in the back is excessive force. I heard the report about a knife in the car. Did you know he also had his children in the backseat who were crying?

This is the exact reason why black people feel targeted. Police kill unarmed black people with impunity and the response is, “well, he probably deserved it.”

The difference between black people killing other black people and police killing black people is that the black civilians are prosecuted and convicted, while police are not charged.

You make it sound like its ok for black on Black killing....But if a black man breaks the law and is killed, that's unacceptable.. BLM doesn't care about either one as long as they can burn shit up.

[Raideriam]

Mets and Marlins walk off the field after 42 seconds of silence. Again.

Don't play... I Don't care!

[Imasmashu]

You make it sound like its ok for black on Black killing....But if a black man breaks the law and is killed, that's unacceptable.. BLM doesn't care about either one as long as they can burn shit up.

Black on black crime is a separate problem that requires a separate set of action. Replying with a separate problem as response only perpetuates the original. It’s like answering a question with another question. You subvert the intent and the impact of police brutality, which is your right. It just doesn’t work as a solution.

[DonkeyHater]

That’s personal preference many fans in this post share, unlike the rest of the world.

“ It's been a long time coming, but it might be time to finally make it official: The NBA has surpassed MLB as America's second-biggest sports league. ... For the first time ever, the average value of an NBA team ($1.9 Billion) is worth more than the average value of an MLB team ($1.7 Billion), according to Forbes.Apr 11, 2019”

Also link: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/05/why-nba-players-make-more-money-than-mlb-and-nfl-athletes.html

MLB and the NBA are BOTH going down in time. Again.....I said in time. And I'm going to laugh my ass off!!!! Bottom line Politics and sports don't mix. People will find something else to do. Life will go on without the NBA and MLB just fine.

[raiderman41]

If you were actually a real fan then you would've been there to know Bill Russell staged a walkout in 1961. A real fan would know that.

I also know that America was much different in 1961 than it is in 2020. Much different.

As an example, police forces in 1961 were almost entirely white. There were no black officers, or at least not in any communities that were white. Today, police forces are a mix of people -- black, white, Asian, Hispanic.

[raiderman41]

Sorry but if mr. Blake wouldnt have threatned to go get a gun out of his car, then tried to get into his car he wouldnt have got shot...He was also wanted for sexual assault,domestic violence and trespassing..Blacks need to stop being the most violent aggresive people in our country...Black LIES Matter

Just to also remind folks EVERY year more whites are shot by police than blacks...ALL LIVES MATTER, BLUE LIVES MATTER

I watched this video of a state police traffic stop in Pennsylvania. A black male is stopped by two white officers. They perform a field sobriety test on him and he clearly is drunk. He can't keep his balance at all. The officers are respectful and actually nice. They politely tell him they are going to arrest him -- that he's failed the test. As they attempt to put the handcuffs on him, he struggles. He tosses them aside like rag dolls and one of the officers tazes him. He continues to struggle. After fighting with the officers, he runs around the vehicle and then reaches into his vehicle. The officers are now on high alert. One officer is standing in front of the officer who draws his weapon, anticipating what is going to happen next. The suspect pulls a weapon from his vehicle and shoots both officers. Fortunately, both officers survived the attack, which is incredible. The suspect drives off.

I can bet you anything every police department in the nation has seen this video for training. Whenever a suspect reaches into his or her vehicle, you should anticipate a gun being drawn. If you wait for the suspect to draw his weapon, you could be shot or dead.

Isn't this pretty much what happened with Mr. Blake? Didn't he tell officers he was retrieving a gun? Didn't he struggle with police and ignore their orders? Wasn't he told not to reach into his vehicle, an order which he ignored?

Should the police have waited until he pointed a weapon at them to fire? Should the police have waited to be shot before drawing their own weapons.

The sad thing is that as soon as a person is shot, there's a group that immediately plays the "race card." These men and woman in law enforcement put their lives on the line every single day. They have to assume that nearly everyone they come into contact with is armed and dangerous, because it's that dangerous out there. They won't draw their weapons unless you give them a reason to do so. Mr. Blake was stupid. He ignored orders. He reached into his car. He was a criminal and had an outstanding warrant. He is now dead.

Watch this video and think for a moment about what law enforcement face every single day while out on the road.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccSM9RTbmS0

[illusin]

https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-releases/update-kenosha-officer-involved-shooting-0?fbclid=IwAR1ha_HpqEvldT3luUvjM447LyhqVJlxakEXzbj 3k80dbpCJBJSorLlrRDI

I mean guy was not supposed to be there, told police he had a weapon in the vehicle and then proceeded to try and get into said vehicle. Was tazed and has no effect as he reached inside the vehicle.

100% could have been avoided by LISTENING AND COMPLYING with the police officer

[jgrange]

3 police officers can't subdue a man and put him in cuffs while he is laying down on the ground means those 3 cops are terrible at their jobs and should be fired just for that - they should be charged for their crimes for discharging a weapon 7 times because they are butthurt over somebody not listening to them. Police officers signed up to do a job where they are expected to behave at a higher moral standard than the average citizen. Soldiers understand this just fine. Why can't police officers? Clearly there's a gap in their training.

[mstrbass2000]

be respectful,follow orders,go quietly=alive
be disrespectful,don't follow orders,fight with police,go back to your car and reach in after threatening of a weapon = dead

which one sound logical to you or are you saying plain and simply ignore the law,ignore the police,fight the police and threaten the police is the correct way !!! in nearly every case the criminal did not follow orders,fought the police and was not respectful of the law but keep on ignoring those facts

[raiderman41]

3 police officers can't subdue a man and put him in cuffs while he is laying down on the ground means those 3 cops are terrible at their jobs and should be fired just for that - they should be charged for their crimes for discharging a weapon 7 times because they are butthurt over somebody not listening to them. Police officers signed up to do a job where they are expected to behave at a higher moral standard than the average citizen. Soldiers understand this just fine. Why can't police officers? Clearly there's a gap in their training.

ALWAYS the fault of the police.

The biggest gap is in the way these men were brought up, who were taught not to respect anything or anybody; who think they are above the law; who believe that no matter what they do or how they do it, they will always be given a break. It's always somebody else's fault.

If only the police had subdued him. If only the police had not drawn their weapons. If only the police had ignored his threat to get a gun out of his car and kill them. If only they had tazed him until he was unconscious.

Did the police have to kill the man? If someone tells me he's going to get a gun inside his car and kill me, I'd say I'd be a little trigger happy if he actually was reaching for something inside his car. But I can't judge. You can't judge. It will be have to be judged by experts who will have to look at ALL of the facts.

The biggest "if onlys" are if this man had not sexually assaulted an underage girl and had an outstanding warrant, and "if only" this man had listened to police, obeyed their orders and not reached inside his vehicle.

I saw a comment on twitter that goes to this point very well. A guy in Minneapolis was wanted by police for murdering someone the day before. The police approach him, with guns drawn because he's armed and dangerous, and the guy kills himself. The comment on twitter was that even though the cops didn't kill him directly, they killed him nevertheless because they had their guns drawn and were approaching him.

WTF has our world come to? Why can't people take responsibility for their own actions? Why can't people just do what the police ask them to do?

[xramfan]

Whitlock on fire:

https://www.outkick.com/blm-101-continued-harassment-from-protesters-reveals-bigotry-and-hate-not-progress/




BLM 101: CONTINUED HARASSMENT FROM PROTESTERS REVEALS BIGOTRY AND HATE, NOT PROGRESS

by JASON WHITLOCK
about 5 hours agoupdated about 3 hours ago
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It’s time for BLM 101, Volume 6. This online class is dedicated to educating professional athletes on the real agenda and impact of the so-called Black Lives Matter movement. Earlier this week, I renamed BLM, calling it Bigots Love Marxism.

BLM 101 makes a good-faith effort to avoid snark and ridicule. We want to engage athletes in a spirit of respect and concern.

OK, let’s head to our nation’s capital for today’s lesson. The Twitter feed of Mr. Andy Ngo shared footage of BLM protesters physically and verbally harassing white people in the streets of D.C. shortly after President Donald Trump closed the Republican National Convention.

Take a look at this middle-aged white man surrounded by BLM protesters, shoved twice by a black woman, screamed at through a megaphone and eventually shoved to the ground.


The white man never responded to the abuse. He simply kept walking down the street.

This is a reverse of the images we saw from the 1950s and ’60s Civil Rights Movement. Below is an iconic photo of black student Elizabeth Eckford integrating Little Rock Central High School. She’s being followed and harassed by a group of angry, white female students.



This image and others like it helped to expose the immorality and wickedness of white bigots. The 1957 picture of Eckford on her first day of school empowered Martin Luther King and the Civil Rights Movement.

The reverse is happening in 2020. The angry mobs are mixed-race and they’re terrorizing mostly white people. The mobs are doing this under the umbrella of Black Lives Matter. The keyword in that sentence is Black. The white kids in Portland and Seattle who are rioting every night are defining themselves as FOB, friends of black people.

The BLM movement is framing black people as racist, immoral and violent. This is the total opposite of the Civil Rights Movement. Black people are losing the public-relations war. Anderson Cooper, Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow, Joy Reid and the rest of the mainstream liberal media won’t inform their viewers that BLM is destroying the reputation of black people.

We (black people) mistakenly believe that shouting “Breonna Taylor” or “I can’t breathe” trumps a daily barrage of BLM protesters acting violent and immoral. It doesn’t.

We’re losing. The people telling us we’re winning are lying and shouldn’t be trusted. They’re either stupid, want us to lose or they’re using BLM to advance goals that have nothing to do with black people.

Please share the link of this story with your favorite athlete via social media. Remember to be respectful. The athletes, believe it or not, are well-intentioned. They’ve been misled. Let’s educate them.

[RF4L]

When will these racist scumbags be banned?

Just to remind YOU, there are more white people by far than black which is why the total numbers are higher. This is basic elementary understanding of numbers. However, the rates that it happens per capita to black Americans are higher than it is for whites.

why is it racist to state facts?? 20 whites shot by cops compared to 9 blacks being shot. oh and about 99% of them were justified.


9 black thugs killed by cops= complete outrage,riots and looting
9254 blacks killed by other blacks= complete denial that its an issue.

You say theres more white people that skews the numbers but yet more blacks commit crimes and are in prison. How does that work??

[jgrange]

ALWAYS the fault of the police.

Because they're supposedly trained to handle these situations - to protect and serve. Start holding them accountable otherwise you're a joke.

It's funny how you clowns are anti China, anti Communism that will bring about fascism yet you idiots keep harping on always listening to the police no matter what. Do whatever the police tell you to do. That's a fascist police state right there yet you dummies don't want to acknowledge it.

[xramfan]

Because they're supposedly trained to handle these situations - to protect and serve. Start holding them accountable otherwise you're a joke.

It's funny how you clowns are anti China, anti Communism that will bring about fascism yet you idiots keep harping on always listening to the police no matter what. Do whatever the police tell you to do. That's a fascist police state right there yet you dummies don't want to acknowledge it.
A little melodramatic isnt it? Its not like the cops are shooting people for having bad breath. They plugged his ass full of holes when he opened his car door and reached down after being told multiple times, "Stop". LEOs are killed routinely in these exact scenarios and the ones that are killed are the ones that gave the benefit of the doubt or were too complacent. But you know that already

[mstrbass2000]

why is it racist to state facts?? 20 whites shot by cops compared to 9 blacks being shot. oh and about 99% of them were justified.


9 black thugs killed by cops= complete outrage,riots and looting
9254 blacks killed by other blacks= complete denial that its an issue.

You say theres more white people that skews the numbers but yet more blacks commit crimes and are in prison. How does that work??

they will just ignore those facts and go right to "your a racist and should be banned"

[Imasmashu]

Maybe you should not make verbal threats about having a gun in the car, regardless of if there is one there or not and complying with law enforcement. You can try and make excuses for his bad decisions but at the end of the day its exactly that. HIS BAD DECISIONS led to him getting shot, he made verbal threats about a probable weapon which has been confirmed. I'm sorry but if i am given task direction i listen i don't do the exact opposite of what I'm being told.

Innocent until proven guilty, due process were rights that were eliminated when this officer fired his gun. No body cams. We don’t have all the information, but this was excessive force. Why does it matter? Because the officer was not charged, placed on leave instead for this event.

If you don’t see that action as a threat to any US citizen, you are not seeing clearly. There is no problem from your perspective, but people are protesting and many black millionaire athletes are emotional about it. Keep pointing at something else. It looks more like a defense mechanism that avoids a reality you refuse to acknowledge.

[Imasmashu]

why is it racist to state facts?? 20 whites shot by cops compared to 9 blacks being shot. oh and about 99% of them were justified.


9 black thugs killed by cops= complete outrage,riots and looting
9254 blacks killed by other blacks= complete denial that its an issue.

You say theres more white people that skews the numbers but yet more blacks commit crimes and are in prison. How does that work??

Are you even following basic logic so that you can communicate? The FACT is that there are more unarmed black people killed per capita than white unarmed people per capita in this country.

Go back and read this thread. The FACT is that black on black crime is a separate issue from police brutality against black people and police brutality is a historic problem in this country directly connected to systemic racism.

Inform yourself or stop talking.

[Imasmashu]

Justin Ellis used to be a Raider. Wonder how many current Raiders feel similar. Either way, the sentiment in the photo from this post captures the frustration.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEaeTYPhdzc/?igshid=1j57t4pnao2wn

[Imasmashu]

MLB and the NBA are BOTH going down in time. Again.....I said in time. And I'm going to laugh my ass off!!!! Bottom line Politics and sports don't mix. People will find something else to do. Life will go on without the NBA and MLB just fine.

Just how much time. I mean, we’ve been waiting for Jesus for 2000+ years, so.......

[Raideriam]

Justin Ellis used to be a Raider. Wonder how many current Raiders feel similar. Either way, the sentiment in the photo from this post captures the frustration.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CEaeTYPhdzc/?igshid=1j57t4pnao2wn

We destroy communities, You all mad...we are thugs...You all mad.... we think we are above the law....you all mad...…See you in court...Silence.

[RAIDERMAN818]

It's probably a good idea not to disobey lawful orders, fight with cops, threaten them and then make sudden movements to grab a weapon if you want to avoid being shot.

Race has absolutely nothing to do with this case. It's only an issue because the BLM racists and dumbfuck leftists make it one.

If the cop was black and the person that got shot was white, this wouldn't even be a story.

We'd be wondering what the dumb fuck that got shot was thinking.

I thought the story was 'blacks are terrified of being hunted and needlessly executed by racist pig cops'. If that's true, then maybe you'd want to avoid interractions with the racist pigs and not fight with them and threaten them.

Why were the racist pigs called in this case to begin with ? Hmmmm ?

Have to be nuts to be a cop these days. You're demonized, shit on and held to an impossible standard.

Fucktard Lebron's boycot didn't last long did it ?

He's still pissed off and he's demanding 'change'.

Ask him exactly what he wants done and you'll get some general platitudes and mumbo jumbo.

In fact, ask any of these assholes what they want done and none of them can tell you. All you'll ever hear is more moaning about systemic racism. The poor oppressed babies.

Guess the only answer would be to have only black cops policing black communities.

No wait....that won't work either because only an Uncle Tom would want to be a cop.

In the meantime, I wonder how many blacks are going to be shot in Chicago this weekend. Not by cops, but by other blacks. Who gives a shit ? Not Lebron.

We demand change ! Let's riot, baby ! No justice, no peace !

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

[DonkeyHater]

Just how much time. I mean, we’ve been waiting for Jesus for 2000+ years, so.......

Be patient......it will happen. And it's gonna be awesome!!

[Raideriam]

Nice post, And this shit is NOT what MLK was talking about.

[Raideriam]

It's probably a good idea not to disobey lawful orders, fight with cops, threaten them and then make sudden movements to grab a weapon if you want to avoid being shot.

Race has absolutely nothing to do with this case. It's only an issue because the BLM racists and dumbfuck leftists make it one.

If the cop was black and the person that got shot was white, this wouldn't even be a story.

We'd be wondering what the dumb fuck that got shot was thinking.

I thought the story was 'blacks are terrified of being hunted and needlessly executed by racist pig cops'. If that's true, then maybe you'd want to avoid interractions with the racist pigs and not fight with them and threaten them.

Why were the racist pigs called in this case to begin with ? Hmmmm ?

Have to be nuts to be a cop these days. You're demonized, shit on and held to an impossible standard.

Fucktard Lebron's boycot didn't last long did it ?

He's still pissed off and he's demanding 'change'.

Ask him exactly what he wants done and you'll get some general platitudes and mumbo jumbo.

In fact, ask any of these assholes what they want done and none of them can tell you. All you'll ever hear is more moaning about systemic racism. The poor oppressed babies.

Guess the only answer would be to have only black cops policing black communities.

No wait....that won't work either because only an Uncle Tom would want to be a cop.

In the meantime, I wonder how many blacks are going to be shot in Chicago this weekend. Not by cops, but by other blacks. Who gives a shit ? Not Lebron.

We demand change ! Let's riot, baby ! No justice, no peace !

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

As far as I'm concerned they can cancel all Professional sports, I love the NFL but if they want to cater to one demographic and support looting and Rioting, Fuck it.

Ill watch my daughter play softball, and watch these million dollar babies turn into Wal mart workers.

[RF4L]

Are you even following basic logic so that you can communicate? The FACT is that there are more unarmed black people killed per capita than white unarmed people per capita in this country.


Killed by who?????? cops??? or fellow black people???

[mstrbass2000]

Killed by who?????? cops??? or fellow black people???

unarmed black people are mostly killed by armed black people...black on black crime should be the issue not cops killing blacks cause when compared cops killing blacks it is tiny "if black lives mattered,this issue would b e concentrated on black on black crime and planned parenthood which has killed millions of black babies !!!

[illusin]

Innocent until proven guilty, due process were rights that were eliminated when this officer fired his gun. No body cams. We don’t have all the information, but this was excessive force. Why does it matter? Because the officer was not charged, placed on leave instead for this event.

If you don’t see that action as a threat to any US citizen, you are not seeing clearly. There is no problem from your perspective, but people are protesting and many black millionaire athletes are emotional about it. Keep pointing at something else. It looks more like a defense mechanism that avoids a reality you refuse to acknowledge.



Funny https://www.doj.state.wi.us/news-releases/update-kenosha-officer-involved-shooting-0?fbclid=IwAR2y6yN8npP9ufkMShlfLLx8RFxcG4TngPbso1K VNYhkZGj0njUSbGf9dXQ

During the incident, officers attempted to arrest Jacob S. Blake, age 29. Law enforcement deployed a taser to attempt to stop Mr. Blake, however the taser was not successful in stopping Mr. Blake. Mr. Blake walked around his vehicle, opened the driver’s side door, and leaned forward. While holding onto Mr. Blake’s shirt, Officer Rusten Sheskey fired his service weapon 7 times. Officer Sheskey fired the weapon into Mr. Blake’s back.

During the investigation following the initial incident, Mr. Blake admitted that he had a knife in his possession. DCI agents recovered a knife from the driver’s side floorboard of Mr. Blake’s vehicle.


https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2020-08-27-preliminary-evidence-suggests-jacob-blake-shooting-was-justified/

this guy def sounds like a law abiding citizen to me jfc

i mean either that's a karambit or this guy is a fucking velociraptor 254

that's probable cause right there

[Raideriam]

I live in Missouri, A red state.. bring that shit around here and there will be more than a 17 year old kid being arrested.

And no one here can dispute this shit is coming from The Democratic states.

[jgrange]

Because Missouri didn't have their own issues a couple of years ago when Michael Brown was killed by the cops. It's like you don't have a clue about anything you're spewing.

"Democratic states" have more people so naturally more people tends to have more issues. Common sense.

[jgrange]

LEOs are killed routinely in these exact scenarios and the ones that are killed are the ones that gave the benefit of the doubt or were too complacent. But you know that already

Show statistics and show me rates that this happens at a higher rate than cops killing citizens because I don't know that already. I'll wait.

[jgrange]

Btw, no sports are actually canceled. They're all back now. Nothing of what you idiots are crying about is actually happening.

Also, if the ten bozos on this forum decide to not watch MLB, NBA, and NFL - they will not go away... LMFAO... they will still be here...for years.. The only case you MAY have is MLB because they are run by a terrible commissioner who's actively trying to ruin his own league with his own incompetence.

[mstrbass2000]

Because Missouri didn't have their own issues a couple of years ago when Michael Brown was killed by the cops. It's like you don't have a clue about anything you're spewing.

"Democratic states" have more people so naturally more people tends to have more issues. Common sense.

the brown case was clearly self defense even obama and his hand picked ag holder said so and from this B.L.M WAS CREATED ON A LIE

ps democrat states are run by weakling whom bow down to criminals "that's why their shitholes and cess pools of crime,drugs,gang and violence"

[Imasmashu]

It's probably a good idea not to disobey lawful orders, fight with cops, threaten them and then make sudden movements to grab a weapon if you want to avoid being shot.

Race has absolutely nothing to do with this case. It's only an issue because the BLM racists and dumbfuck leftists make it one.

If the cop was black and the person that got shot was white, this wouldn't even be a story.

We'd be wondering what the dumb fuck that got shot was thinking.

I thought the story was 'blacks are terrified of being hunted and needlessly executed by racist pig cops'. If that's true, then maybe you'd want to avoid interractions with the racist pigs and not fight with them and threaten them.

Why were the racist pigs called in this case to begin with ? Hmmmm ?

Have to be nuts to be a cop these days. You're demonized, shit on and held to an impossible standard.

Fucktard Lebron's boycot didn't last long did it ?

He's still pissed off and he's demanding 'change'.

Ask him exactly what he wants done and you'll get some general platitudes and mumbo jumbo.

In fact, ask any of these assholes what they want done and none of them can tell you. All you'll ever hear is more moaning about systemic racism. The poor oppressed babies.

Guess the only answer would be to have only black cops policing black communities.

No wait....that won't work either because only an Uncle Tom would want to be a cop.

In the meantime, I wonder how many blacks are going to be shot in Chicago this weekend. Not by cops, but by other blacks. Who gives a shit ? Not Lebron.

We demand change ! Let's riot, baby ! No justice, no peace !

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

Your cavalier attitude about what is actually happening in this country is more of the same. It doesn’t work and so be it. It’s disconnected and delusional when you refuse to relate to other citizens here who are having a different experience because of their skin color. Play it to politics as much as you want, but the discomfort will fester and get bigger.

LeBron is an athlete with international appeal and reach, along with the NBA. It’s a shame that you can appreciate
black athletes on the field, not including NBA, but refuse to hear their voices for redress of grievances.

“ The N.B.A. announced a plan to convert some of its arenas into polling locations for the November election as part of an agreement with its players’ union to resume the playoffs on Saturday, union and league officials said in a joint statement Friday.”

This is the sort of action that shows definitive progress. Somebody was listening to LeBron and the other players.

Link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/08/28/sports/basketball/nba-playoffs-resume.amp.html

[xramfan]

Show statistics and show me rates that this happens at a higher rate than cops killing citizens because I don't know that already. I'll wait.

Still looking at my post where I discussed "rates".....Oh that`s right, I didnt. You cant dispute my point so you try to reinvent another. Nice try ......

[Imasmashu]

unarmed black people are mostly killed by armed black people...black on black crime should be the issue not cops killing blacks cause when compared cops killing blacks it is tiny "if black lives mattered,this issue would b e concentrated on black on black crime and planned parenthood which has killed millions of black babies !!!

There is an egregious difference between these two issues and the subject is race based police brutality. You subvert the intent of one when you point at the other. Why is this hard for you to understand? Likely because you cannot relate to either problem.

The difference has been pointed out. Black Lives Matter is a phrase that should invoke awareness about systemic racism still prevalent in this country. It also happens to be something that politicians have attached or condemned due to its emotional charge.

I can understand reluctance to the political association from one side or the other, but you should try to understand the point, rather than trying to tell black Americans what they should be focused on.

[jgrange]

the brown case was clearly self defense even obama and his hand picked ag holder said so and from this B.L.M WAS CREATED ON A LIE

ps democrat states are run by weakling whom bow down to criminals "that's why their shitholes and cess pools of crime,drugs,gang and violence"

Not surprising that you missed my point on that and made up a new one.

That's why their GDPs are higher than a lot of other countries and why they have to contribute more to the federal pool of funds to support Red states who are mostly welfare states.

Keep your head in the sand though.

[jgrange]

Still looking at my post where I discussed "rates".....Oh that`s right, I didnt. You cant dispute my point so you try to reinvent another. Nice try ......

You told me this is something that happened. I asked you to prove how often it happens with some basic statistics. You couldn't do it.

You folded like a lawn chair from a simple request. Shit is weak.

[xramfan]

There is an egregious difference between these two issues and the subject is race based police brutality. You subvert the intent of one when you point at the other. Why is this hard for you to understand? Likely because you cannot relate to either problem.

The difference has been pointed out. Black Lives Matter is a phrase that should invoke awareness about systemic racism still prevalent in this country. It also happens to be something that politicians have attached or condemned due to its emotional charge.

I can understand reluctance to the political association from one side or the other, but you should try to understand the point, rather than trying to tell black Americans what they should be focused on.
Are you referring to the lingering affects of the Great Society or Affirmative action?

[Imasmashu]

We destroy communities, You all mad...we are thugs...You all mad.... we think we are above the law....you all mad...…See you in court...Silence.

Wth are you even talking about? Court? Lol

[xramfan]

You told me this is something that happened. I asked you to prove how often it happens with some basic statistics. You couldn't do it.

You folded like a lawn chair from a simple request. Shit is weak.
If you dont think it happens, please back up your belief with links that deny these things occur. I`ll wait

[Imasmashu]

Are you referring to the lingering affects of the Great Society or Affirmative action?

Damn it Xram....I wasn’t gonna get into any of this with you. But, I will indulge your loaded question.

Simple answer is that we’ve been hustled and federal legislation has not resolved this problem. Great Society, the War On Poverty and Affirmative Action are preceded by the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th and 14th amendments. Yet, black people still needed the Civil Rights Act nearly 100 years later to enhance the notion of equal treatment.

Racial discrimination exists today in the workplace, the criminal justice system, the lending industry, the healthcare industry and the education system because it is embedded within this society and taught both directly and indirectly to generations of people here. The real solution does not sit with politicians who will say anything to gain power. The solution is within the people and our collective power to unite under common interest to hold politicians accountable and gain a middle class lifestyle.

I’m fairly certain you can’t stand Bill Maher, like most people. But, he interviewed a brilliant musician named Winton Marsalis who had some striking comments about this exact subject. See link below and “watch the cash register”

Link: https://youtu.be/tBPD_do0Oig

[xramfan]

Damn it Xram....I wasn’t gonna get into any of this with you. But, I will indulge your loaded question.

Simple answer is that we’ve been hustled and federal legislation has not resolved this problem. Great Society, the War On Poverty and Affirmative Action are preceded by the Emancipation Proclamation and the 13th and 14th amendments. Yet, black people still needed the Civil Rights Act nearly 100 years later to enhance the notion of equal treatment.

Racial discrimination exists today in the workplace, the criminal justice system, the lending industry, the healthcare industry and the education system because it is embedded within this society and taught both directly and indirectly to generations of people here. The real solution does not sit with politicians who will say anything to gain power. The solution is within the people and our collective power to unite under common interest to hold politicians accountable and gain a middle class lifestyle.

I’m fairly certain you can’t stand Bill Maher, like most people. But, he interviewed a brilliant musician named Winton Marsalis who had some striking comments about this exact subject. See link below and “watch the cash register”

Link: https://youtu.be/tBPD_do0Oig
I`ll check it out. I think with you I can have a dialogue unlike grange who just seems to enjoy monologues.

I need to truly understand what "systemic" racism means because I look around and look at our last POTUS and his administration and wonder how can the US have systemic racism. I know there are numerous people of color who are senators, governors, mayors, police chiefs, fire chiefs, etc etc and I wonder where the "systemic" racism is. I understand there is and always will be racism to some degree everywhere on the planet and from every race but I simply fail to see "systemic" other than what I mentioned above. Affirmative action is truly an example of "systemic" racism isnt it?

Have you ever read any of Shelby Steeles books? I just finished "White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era". Phenomenal read written almost 20 years ago but very applicable to what we are experiencing right now.
Thanks for the civil reply Ima

[jgrange]

If you dont think it happens, please back up your belief with links that deny these things occur. I`ll wait

You brought it up. I'm still waiting to see some stats from you to see how prevalent it is. It should be rather easy since you brought it to the discussion as worthy of speaking up about it. Stop flailing about.

[RAIDERMAN818]

Your cavalier attitude about what is actually happening in this country is more of the same. It doesn’t work and so be it. It’s disconnected and delusional when you refuse to relate to other citizens here who are having a different experience because of their skin color. Play it to politics as much as you want, but the discomfort will fester and get bigger.

LeBron is an athlete with international appeal and reach, along with the NBA. It’s a shame that you can appreciate
black athletes on the field, not including NBA, but refuse to hear their voices for redress of grievances.

“ The N.B.A. announced a plan to convert some of its arenas into polling locations for the November election as part of an agreement with its players’ union to resume the playoffs on Saturday, union and league officials said in a joint statement Friday.”

This is the sort of action that shows definitive progress. Somebody was listening to LeBron and the other players.

Link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/08/28/sports/basketball/nba-playoffs-resume.amp.html

LOL. My 'cavalier attitude' ???

I've heard LeBron's grievances. Frankly, I think the 'blacks are being hunted down and executed by Amerikkka's racist pig police forces' is a bullshit narrative.

I've heard the grievances a billion times. Who hasn't ?

What I want to hear from YOU and LeBron is what action(s) do you want taken to rectify the problem of systemic racism and police brutality ?

You're fucking kidding me that LeBron cancelling his 'boycott' and talk of converting arenas to polling locations represents 'significant progress'.

So, I will ask again....what do you want done that isn't already being done ?

You're going to have to do better than just bitching about cavalier attitudes and people not listening to the grievances.

I've heard the grievances and think they're mostly bullshit...but I'll give you a chance to articulate exactly what you want done if the grievances are indeed valid.

You want change ? You want action ? Let's hear the changes and actions you're demanding.

Go for it.

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

[RAIDERMAN818]

If Blake was white, would this even be a story ?? I doubt it.

I'm thinking it would get zero news coverage.

Guarantee you there would be no looting or rioting.

The reaction would be 'what kind of dumbass disobeys lawful commands, resists arrest, fights with the police and goes for a weapon and expects NOT to be shot ?'

Did Mike Brown get ventilated because he was black or because he was a criminal thug assaulting a law officer ?

Did Blake get ventilated because he's black or because he was being an asshole resisting arrest, threatening and endangering the police ?

Did the officers involved in these shootings pull the trigger because they're racists ?

Or maybe they pulled the trigger for another reason....to get home alive.

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

[Imasmashu]

LOL. My 'cavalier attitude' ???

I've heard LeBron's grievances. Frankly, I think the 'blacks are being hunted down and executed by Amerikkka's racist pig police forces' is a bullshit narrative.

I've heard the grievances a billion times. Who hasn't ?

What I want to hear from YOU and LeBron is what action(s) do you want taken to rectify the problem of systemic racism and police brutality ?

You're fucking kidding me that LeBron cancelling his 'boycott' and talk of converting arenas to polling locations represents 'significant progress'.

So, I will ask again....what do you want done that isn't already being done ?

You're going to have to do better than just bitching about cavalier attitudes and people not listening to the grievances.

I've heard the grievances and think they're mostly bullshit...but I'll give you a chance to articulate exactly what you want done if the grievances are indeed valid.

You want change ? You want action ? Let's hear the changes and actions you're demanding.

Go for it.

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY


Making arenas into polling locations is significant progress from where I sit, esp if it means that more citizens actually vote and find it easier to cast a vote in an arena. You disagree and idgaf.

I will note some conceptual, societal changes I think would improve this country, but we are already not communicating clearly when you characterize my post as “bitching.” You can save the I should have “tough skin” response. You type loud and that’s fine, but not all people who think differently than you can be placed in some bs category.

Point is, rather than giving you some sort of actionable change you can condemn, I will leave you with the most important from my perspective. And I actually thought about this, knowing that what I note will be condemned, attacked or diminished.

Societal change would start with education rooted in ethnic, cultural and historical value, rather than white supremacy. Change would mean equitable access to resources. Change would mean removal of, or significant adjustment to, war on drugs policy. Change would mean removal of the two party political system with a system that may not be realized yet, but would be more representative of the country’s wage earners. Change would mean significant adjustment to the influence of money in politics.

Finally, change would realize a common cause among Americans based on class or economic status in order to hold politicians, corporations and upper class Americans accountable for equitable treatment and fair wages.

[RF4L]

they need to send the armed forces into all these cities and throw down marshal law. You a protester/looter/rioter??? you relinquish your right to live and the military should just begin to kill on site.

[RAIDERMAN818]

Making arenas into polling locations is significant progress from where I sit, esp if it means that more citizens actually vote and find it easier to cast a vote in an arena. You disagree and idgaf.

I will note some conceptual, societal changes I think would improve this country, but we are already not communicating clearly when you characterize my post as “bitching.” You can save the I should have “tough skin” response. You type loud and that’s fine, but not all people who think differently than you can be placed in some bs category.

Point is, rather than giving you some sort of actionable change you can condemn, I will leave you with the most important from my perspective. And I actually thought about this, knowing that what I note will be condemned, attacked or diminished.

Societal change would start with education rooted in ethnic, cultural and historical value, rather than white supremacy. Change would mean equitable access to resources. Change would mean removal of, or significant adjustment to, war on drugs policy. Change would mean removal of the two party political system with a system that may not be realized yet, but would be more representative of the country’s wage earners. Change would mean significant adjustment to the influence of money in politics.

Finally, change would realize a common cause among Americans based on class or economic status in order to hold politicians, corporations and upper class Americans accountable for equitable treatment and fair wages.

Just as I expected. The usual psycho-babble bullshit about white supremacy.

Every ill that plagues the black man is whitey's fault.

Pretty fucking sad.

In the real world, whitey isn't responsible for black illegitimacy and households without a father.

In the real world, it's not whitey's fault that blacks commit so much violent crime.

It ain't the two party system or capitalism that holds the black man down either.

How about some self responsibility ?

The biggest 'change' necessary has to come from blacks themselves.

I'm sure you don't want to hear this.

Time for the black man to pull himself up by his own boot straps and quit whining about Amerikkka, the 'system' and whitey grinding him to dust.

Ain't nothing stopping the black man but himself.

Say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud ?

We shall overcome ?

Ain't no stopping us now ?

Pfffffft.

Empty platitudes.

Those that can, do.

Those that can't, blame everyone else but themselves.

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

[jgrange]

they need to send the armed forces into all these cities and throw down marshal law.

You should know how to spell martial law before making demands about using it. Also, stop having sexual fantasies about children.

[Imasmashu]

The Personal Responsibility Crusade...wonder where I’ve heard that one before. Pull yourself up by your boot straps...sounds familiar. Next, this logic is going to attempt to prove that racism is a myth and that it does not exist anymore because the country has black millionaires, had a black president, etc.


The desire to see black America take personal responsibility is deceptive, old, and more of the same. It assumes that black America has been on an equal economic playing field all along, or at least since the Civil Rights movement, which is a lie.

It is more of the same because it is the exact political strategy used by the Nixon Administration that simultaneously neutralized a similar need for change.

See quote and link below:

“As Nixon’s speechwriter Raymond K. Price explained, the path forward was to replace “the Negro habit of dependence” with “one of independence” and “personal responsibility.”

Link: http://bostonreview.net/class-inequality-race/mehrsa-baradaran-bad-check-black-america

The problem of systemic racism other than being a complex problem that requires action from all sides of the political and socioeconomic spectrum, is that collectively, black America will need over one hundred years of prosperity to be on a level playing field with white America.

I don’t want to hear this? No, you don’t want to hear this. Matter of fact, you are so defensive about it that you refuse to acknowledge that there is even a problem. There’s your summation of psycho babble: try to listen rather than condemn and attack.

We cannot logically expect black America to be on the same economic playing field as their white counterparts based on this country’s history and treatment based on skin color. In other words, your logic is demanding that black America seize economic opportunity we are all afforded now, refusing to acknowledge the disadvantages of inadequate and unequal opportunity from previous generations who are still alive today.

Individually, economic opportunity is there for black Americans now more than at any other time, while as a collective group, black America must be given consideration and support to realize that improvement because of where the past has left them. Further, even considering consistent black economic prosperity suggests or assumes static white American prosperity. It won’t happen and we tried it already.

I figured you know some of this, but perhaps I’ve misapplied the benefit of the doubt to you. Your refusal to connect with other Americans having a different experience than you by using respectful communication or even empathy is what is sad. You are not alone and your voice is tiresome, repetitive and empty.

[Imasmashu]

On another note, I can honestly easily separate my thoughts and feelings about social issues from my fandom and love for the Raiders expressed on this site because I simply dgaf about your perception of me.

[RAIDERMAN818]

The Personal Responsibility Crusade...wonder where I’ve heard that one before. Pull yourself up by your boot straps...sounds familiar. Next, this logic is going to attempt to prove that racism is a myth and that it does not exist anymore because the country has black millionaires, had a black president, etc.


The desire to see black America take personal responsibility is deceptive, old, and more of the same. It assumes that black America has been on an equal economic playing field all along, or at least since the Civil Rights movement, which is a lie.

It is more of the same because it is the exact political strategy used by the Nixon Administration that simultaneously neutralized a similar need for change.

See quote and link below:

“As Nixon’s speechwriter Raymond K. Price explained, the path forward was to replace “the Negro habit of dependence” with “one of independence” and “personal responsibility.”

Link: http://bostonreview.net/class-inequality-race/mehrsa-baradaran-bad-check-black-america

The problem of systemic racism other than being a complex problem that requires action from all sides of the political and socioeconomic spectrum, is that collectively, black America will need over one hundred years of prosperity to be on a level playing field with white America.

I don’t want to hear this? No, you don’t want to hear this. Matter of fact, you are so defensive about it that you refuse to acknowledge that there is even a problem. There’s your summation of psycho babble: try to listen rather than condemn and attack.

We cannot logically expect black America to be on the same economic playing field as their white counterparts based on this country’s history and treatment based on skin color. In other words, your logic is demanding that black America seize economic opportunity we are all afforded now, refusing to acknowledge the disadvantages of inadequate and unequal opportunity from previous generations who are still alive today.

Individually, economic opportunity is there for black Americans now more than at any other time, while as a collective group, black America must be given consideration and support to realize that improvement because of where the past has left them. Further, even considering consistent black economic prosperity suggests or assumes static white American prosperity. It won’t happen and we tried it already.

I figured you know some of this, but perhaps I’ve misapplied the benefit of the doubt to you. Your refusal to connect with other Americans having a different experience than you by using respectful communication or even empathy is what is sad. You are not alone and your voice is tiresome, repetitive and empty.

Hahahaha. Look in the mirror. Talk about tiresome, repetitive and empty !

Keep whining about the past, systemic racism, and whitey.

See where that gets you.

Keep refusing to accept that blacks should take personal responsibility to improve their lot. After all, taking personal responsibility is an 'old and tiresome' concept !

Taking personal responsibility apparently isn't applicable to blacks. There is only white collective guilt and responsibility for the black man's plight ! LMAO

In the meantime, I'll watch every other socio-economic group continue to leave blacks in the dust and actually prosper.

Isn't it funny how that works out ?

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

[RAIDERMAN818]

On another note, I can honestly easily separate my thoughts and feelings about social issues from my fandom and love for the Raiders expressed on this site because I simply dgaf about your perception of me.

You're my hero ! Still a RAIDER fan even if I think you're a putz !! Way to go !!!

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

[Imasmashu]

Hahahaha.

Isn't it funny how that works out ?



That is the problem. It doesn't "work out."

US history = Not a factor

Racism = There is none

Basic communication = Incapable

Solution = Personal responsibility

At least Gruden acknowledges the potential impact of what is "not happening" with some of his players enough to speak on it in public. Maybe a leader like Gruden could learn something from you.

--Insert sarcasm here--

"That's the number one thing right now, is looking into every man's well-being," Gruden said. "They have families, moms and dads and wives and kids, friends. I'm worried about this virus. I tell you I know people that have lost their job over this virus, people that are struggling right now. And there is a lot of hatred out there and it really concerns me. I pray that everybody can open their heart and get on the same team politically, socially, and always."

Link: https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/news/jon-gruden-las-vegas-raiders-nfl-social-justices-training-camp

Oh wait...damn, that's an article written by your #1 journalist...Hondo Carpenter...did Gruden even say this? Cuz Hondo is a "hack"

Here's the interview link so you can hear what the Raiders HC said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5wlAmzFhMU

[Imasmashu]

You're my hero ! Still a RAIDER fan even if I think you're a putz !! Way to go !!!

USA

TRUMP 2020

JUST WIN BABY

Heroes are for children, so I'm not surprised. Your sarcasm is so uninspiring. You're doing great!

[mstrbass2000]

There is an egregious difference between these two issues and the subject is race based police brutality. You subvert the intent of one when you point at the other. Why is this hard for you to understand? Likely because you cannot relate to either problem.

The difference has been pointed out. Black Lives Matter is a phrase that should invoke awareness about systemic racism still prevalent in this country. It also happens to be something that politicians have attached or condemned due to its emotional charge.

I can understand reluctance to the political association from one side or the other, but you should try to understand the point, rather than trying to tell black Americans what they should be focused on.

focusing on black lives matters without addressing the largest single reason why blacks get killed is asinine,systemic racism is a lie also te fbi #'s don't lie,black on black killings is 95% worse the cops vs black thugs/criminals and black abortion have killed off 1 million black babies,its the single largest reason why blacks have now moved to 3rd place in line for help with teh democrats,its also why blacks are only getting table scrapes these days and still living in shit holes...wake the hell up voting for democrats for the last 50 yrs has exactly done zero for blacks ...fact

[Imasmashu]

I`ll check it out. I think with you I can have a dialogue unlike grange who just seems to enjoy monologues.

I need to truly understand what "systemic" racism means because I look around and look at our last POTUS and his administration and wonder how can the US have systemic racism. I know there are numerous people of color who are senators, governors, mayors, police chiefs, fire chiefs, etc etc and I wonder where the "systemic" racism is. I understand there is and always will be racism to some degree everywhere on the planet and from every race but I simply fail to see "systemic" other than what I mentioned above. Affirmative action is truly an example of "systemic" racism isnt it?

Have you ever read any of Shelby Steeles books? I just finished "White Guilt: How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era". Phenomenal read written almost 20 years ago but very applicable to what we are experiencing right now.
Thanks for the civil reply Ima

Hey Xram—apologies for late reply. Bottom line from the link Insent is that we have not “created” the solution yet and creativity thru music is one way that Marsalis says can help bridge the gap of understanding for one common cause. What Marsalis says is applicable and pretty fascinating when you consider that the solution must be a shared vision all Americans can participate in.

I haven’t read Shelby Steele, I will check it out as well since it sounds valuable. Truly appreciate the dialogue that seeks to understand and not condemn, even if we disagree at the end of our understanding. Respect makes a difference in communication.

Systemic racism is something that persists in the education system, religion, business and in other social areas. As example, we all recall the story of how Christopher Columbus discovered America. Truth is that there were already dark skinned people on this continent when Columbus and others came. Another example in education is that history of black people started with the Trans Atlantic slave trade and / or black history in America.

The criminal justice system holds systemic racism as well from failed legislation and political policy like the war on drugs as it disproportionately targets black people.

At the same time, while I agree that this country holds more opportunity for black America now than it ever has, the complexity of the problem and then the solution with historical context is necessary for all of us to create the country we want to see. White guilt is not the answer, relating to other citizens thru a common cause is the start of an answer. The principle that injustice anywhere, is injustice everywhere should be strongly considered if we are in fact all connected.

I happen to believe we are all connected, even if we disagree and have a hard time relating.

Will leave you with this quote, which I think leads us to a change that we have not fully realized:

“We assume that what is in our head constitutes social reality. But, reality is very messy.the difference between the tools we use to try and understand the world and the way the world is in its messiness. The social world always exceeds our ability to fully comprehend it. And if we do not understand that, we will never move in the direction of revolutionary change, which is what we need in this country right now.”

—Angela Davis

[Imasmashu]

focusing on black lives matters without addressing the largest single reason why blacks get killed is asinine,systemic racism is a lie also te fbi #'s don't lie,black on black killings is 95% worse the cops vs black thugs/criminals and black abortion have killed off 1 million black babies,its the single largest reason why blacks have now moved to 3rd place in line for help with teh democrats,its also why blacks are only getting table scrapes these days and still living in shit holes...wake the hell up voting for democrats for the last 50 yrs has exactly done zero for blacks ...fact

I don’t need to wake up as I’m not fooled by Democrats, Republicans or anyone else. I’m not selling anything here. The FACT is that black on black crime is a separate problem with a separate set of action than police brutality. You do not eliminate the latter by resolving the former.

If you want to ask me a question about black on black crime and how it should be addressed, do that. But, your response — AGAIN — diminishes the point of the problem in the first place. You want it to go away as it has transcended the street and come to reveal itself thru pro sports. Start by asking the right questions for the purpose of seeking an answer, rather than dismissing the problem with presumptive attitude.

Or, do nothing. Both responses from you are more of the same. You should be proud to be in the same intellectual spectrum as Rudy Giuliani. The failure exudes complete ignorance and therefore any responsibility in finding substantive resolve.

[Raideriam]

How many black people shot or killed by cops weren't breaking the law?

Same goes for white people!