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Reply With QuoteThey didn't even give any insight as to why the Mets might like Fuentes better.
Personally, I have absolutely no idea why Fuentes would ever be considered over K-Rod except for him being a lefty.
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LMAO -- oops, wrong former National. Yes, Schneider dude.Originally Posted by Jigeneh
Dude, if they settle on Fuentes over KROD over some BS =
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They didn't even give any insight as to why the Mets might like Fuentes better.
Personally, I have absolutely no idea why Fuentes would ever be considered over K-Rod except for him being a lefty.
I agree with both of you Jig and Vic.....I can't believe the Yanks are thinking that Swisher is the answer at 1B. In my mind, I felt they made a nice move for an off the bench guy that can play 3 or more positions, but not as a starter anywhere in that lineup.
NY definitely needs pitching, but I'd be leery of Burnett, the dude is always hurt with only two good seasons - both contract years. Sabathia doesn't sound too interested in NY, but who knows, could be playing games. Ben Sheets could be a possibility for NY, but he has his own injury issues. Lowe would be a solid signing for NY as well, but he'll cost $$$ - which shouldn't really matter.
If nothing else, the Yankees should be looking at Tex for many reasons - huge upgrade at 1B, big bat to put in an already potent middle of the order and keep him from Boston. What's to lose?
As a Sox fan, I'm praying every day for Tex. I love Lowell, don't get me wrong, but Tex is exactly what we need. Youk has already said he loves 3B and he's a gold glove candidate over there.
Teixiera-Pedroia-Lowrie-Youkilis-[catcher]
I would flip a pitcher to the Rangers for either Salty or Teagarden as well. We need a catcher and Varitek is an automatic out and can barely throw anyone out at 2nd these days. It's a steep price, but could be worth it for either one of those prospects. The outfield with Bay, Ellsbury and Drew is solid. Ellsbury has a long way to go to be the player many Sox fans built him up to be, and I doubt he'll ever be as good as they think. If he can just learn to keep the ball down though, he can outrun the infield hit as well as anyone in baseball and once on base he's dangerous. Drew, well, we overpaid for him, but he's had some big moments and as a 7 hitter, nothing wrong with that.
My ideal thoughts would be:
- Sign Tex
- Trade Lowell for prospect(s)
- Trade Lugo for a paper clip and a pound of bacon (have to eat a bunch of $$ on this one)
- Trade for Salty or Teagarden
- Sign Derrick Lowe/Ben Sheets/Jamie Moyer type to be a 4th starter or at least compete with whatever young pitchers you hold onto.
- Sign Roco Baldelli as a 4th OF
CF - Ellsbury
2B - Pedroia
3B - Youkilis
1B - Teixiera
DH - Ortiz
RF - Bay
LF - Drew
C - [Texas Catcher]
SS - Lowrie
P - Beckett
P - Lester
P - Matsuzaka
P - [FA Pitcher]
P - Wakefield
CP - Papelbon
Pen - Masterson, Okajima, Delcarmen, Ramirez, Aardsma, Littleton, Vasquez
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Looks like the ideal offseason for BOS.
If the Yankees sit around and allow Boston to get that improved (mainly Teixeira), while they fool themselves into thinking that CC will fall into their laps, then I will have lost all faith in this FO.
What would you give up for Salty or Teagarden? If the Yankees were inquiring, they'd probably start by asking for Chamberlain, heh...
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CC STILL SITTING ON YANKS' OFFER - New York Post
This is freaking ridiculous. Take the offer off the table now and focus on Teixeira please! There is NOBODY ELSE in the running and this fool is still "sitting on the offer!?" Some nerve...CC STILL SITTING ON YANKS' OFFER
By GEORGE A. KING III
Are the Yankees headed for another Randy Johnson situation when dealing with CC Sabathia?
Johnson orchestrated his way out of Arizona to The Bronx for one reason: Yankee dollars.
As Johnson discovered, money often doesn't buy happiness in New York.
Now it appears Sabathia, who is light years ahead of Johnson as a teammate and person, may only land in the new Yankee Stadium
because of the $140 million offered across six years.
Though Sabathia's wife, Amber, would like her husband to pitch for the Giants, and though the Angels have the money, neither
club has shown a strong interest in the 28-year-old lefty, who
went 17-11 with a 2.70 for the Indians and Brewers last year.
Sabathia - who reportedly was offered a five year, $100 million deal to remain in Milwaukee and offered arbitration Monday by the Brewers - is from the Bay Area.
According to several sources, the Giants have money to invest in Sabathia, but can't come close to the Yankees' deal.
A week ago it was reported the Angels were preparing an offer for Sabathia, but that seems to have cooled.
That leaves the Yankees as the only horse in the race. And since the offer has been out there for more than two weeks, it makes you wonder why Sabathia hasn't inhaled it.
As for A.J. Burnett and Derek Lowe, free-agent hurlers in whom the Yankees have interest, the Braves were linked to Burnett and a five-year deal that some don't believe is real. The Yankees are wary of a fifth year for Burnett.
Though Sabathia's wife, Amber, would like her husband to pitch for the Giants
Yes, go to the Giants, take a substantially lower offer, and play for a team during the prime of your career for a perennial loser. Sounds like a plan. If that happens, then everyone knows he doesn't have the stomach (ironic) to pitch in NY and he does not prioritize winning.
CC is a douche!!!
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- You love it.
- I hate that I will likely end up being right about him from the get-go, but what I hate more is that the Yankees are allowing this to happen to them. They have been/are still banking on Sabathia signing with them. How can you at this point? And if he does by some miracle, this stretch has signaled to me that he didn't have the NYY on his list of desirable destinations and I really don't like the idea of him pitching for the Yanks if he doesn't want to because players typically struggle here under those circumstances.
- Also, I feel like this whole process "dragging out" (which, in his own words, he wanted to avoid) may cost them a chance at fulfilling other needs, a la Teixeira, who I feel should be their #1 priority as of right now anyway.
The San Francisco Giants?
Dude, his handling of this is BS. So what you may milk a few more millions from the Yanks? And ot be honest with you, I don't think thats even the issue here.
- You love it.
- I hate that I will likely end up being right about him from the get-go, but what I hate more is that the Yankees are allowing this to happen to them. They have been/are still banking on Sabathia signing with them. How can you at this point? And if he does by some miracle, this stretch has signaled to me that he didn't have the NYY on his list of desirable destinations and I really don't like the idea of him pitching for the Yanks if he doesn't want to because players typically struggle here under those circumstances.
- Also, I feel like this whole process "dragging out" (which, in his own words, he wanted to avoid) may cost them a chance at fulfilling other needs, a la Teixeira, who I feel should be their #1 priority as of right now anyway.
The San Francisco Giants?
IMO, its more about him 'really not wanting' to be with the Yanks, and hoping someone like LA or SF comes up with a decent enough offer for to stay home. Why else for the posturing?
The Yanks made more than a great offer to him reportedly, so thats enough IMO to take, be content with and play for a contender on a grand stage. Is that not enough?
Shoot, his heart must be somewhere else 'cause why else for the charade?
And if they put all their eggs in one basket, fail on CC and because of that, fail on getting other key components they need, Cashman will and should take a hit on his strategy this off-season.
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First off, I'd like to preface this entire rant with "I hope I am wrong," but...
There aren't even any indications as to what this guy wants to do, which is the most frustrating part of it. I have never heard him or his agent say that they're waiting for the winter meetings, or by Christmas (like Teixeira), or anything else.
The only things that we've heard is...
CC gets record-breaking offer from NYY.
Silence.
Silence.
Silence.
CC will decide after Thanksgiving.
Silence.
NYY will go hard after pitching at winter meetings. No ****!
The LAD were linked to CC for about 2 days, never gave an offer, and now it's rumored that they would even be in the same stratosphere as the NYY offer.
The LAA were linked to CC for about a week, supposedly shifted their attention from Tex to CC, never offered a contract, and now their GM said that it was BS and their #1 priority is Tex.
Now the SF Giants?
You're right, his handling of this is awful. Leaving the Yankees in limbo like this is incredibly selfish, but the Yankees are incredibly stupid for allowing it.
Screw this guy, he isn't worth Santana $$ to begin with. I never liked the idea of offering this guy this much money, but now that he is seemingly reluctant, I am outright opposed to it.
If I were running the Yankees, my focus would be on Mark Teixeira being the 1B for the next 8 years in the Bronx.
Man, CC is really playing this odd....I think jig is right, the Yanks should pull the offer, move to Tex and then go for Lowe and some other options at pitching....What else does he want - other than to play someplace else? That's a lot of coin for a guy who may not want to be in NY.....
Oh and the Giants?Now that's funny.....
As for Salty or Teagarden.....I would give up 1 pitcher (Buchholz perhaps)....Would it take more and would I give it up? Depends on how much....a lower to mid-level prospect maybe, but not 2 high-rated ones.
Chamberlain!?!?!? Not even near a fair deal. Neither of these catchers is completely ready to be the guy to begin with, then their catchers, which means they won't play every day.....that's far too much, IMO. Give up less for Laird if that's what they want, but not a Chamberlain....
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Yeah, screw that. He isn't worth Santana money to begin with and he's been offered more, and he doesn't acknowledge it for 3 weeks?Man, CC is really playing this odd....I think jig is right, the Yanks should pull the offer, move to Tex and then go for Lowe and some other options at pitching....What else does he want - other than to play someplace else? That's a lot of coin for a guy who may not want to be in NY.....
Oh and the Giants?
As for Salty or Teagarden.....I would give up 1 pitcher (Buchholz perhaps)....Would it take more and would I give it up? Depends on how much....a lower to mid-level prospect maybe, but not 2 high-rated ones.
Chamberlain!?!?!? Not even near a fair deal. Neither of these catchers is completely ready to be the guy to begin with, then their catchers, which means they won't play every day.....that's far too much, IMO. Give up less for Laird if that's what they want, but not a Chamberlain....
I wasn't saying that I would offer Chamberlain, just that Texas would demand him since other teams typically try to rape the Yankees in trades.
Yeah, I guess Buchholz is a good starting point. He has become expendable since Lester has come into his own.
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Now this is what I'm talkin' bout...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/06/sp...r=2&ref=sports
Thank you Lord!! At least they are starting to come to the realization that CC is using them. At least that's what it seems like.Cashman Meets With Teixeira; Sabathia Is on Deck
By TYLER KEPNER
Published: December 5, 2008
The gridlocked free-agent market is slowly starting to move, and the Yankees are helping push it along. General Manager Brian Cashman traveled to Washington on Thursday to meet first baseman Mark Teixeira, and he will meet C.C. Sabathia this weekend before the start of the winter meetings in Las Vegas.
The Yankees’ priority is pitching, and Cashman met with Teixeira at the request of the agent Scott Boras, who also represents starters Derek Lowe and Oliver Perez and outfielder Manny Ramirez. Boras was present at the meeting with Teixeira, who was visiting family in Maryland.
The Yankees would love to add Teixeira, a switch-hitter with power who has won two Gold Gloves. But it is unlikely they could sign both Teixeira and Sabathia, to whom they offered a six-year, $140 million deal on Nov. 14.
Sabathia has not responded to the offer, but the sides have continued quietly negotiating. It is well known that Sabathia would prefer a team on the West Coast, and he will meet with other interested suitors before the winter meetings.
The identity of those teams is unknown, but there seems to be at least some level of interest from the San Francisco Giants and perhaps the Los Angeles Angels, who are also trying to retain Teixeira. The Milwaukee Brewers, the team Sabathia led to the playoffs last season, have offered him a five-year, $100 million contract, the only known offer besides the Yankees’.
Screw fat chops and sign Tex since he is actually worth the money he would be offered. Get it done soon. Wow Teixeira with an offer like you wanted to wow Sabathia. Obviously, chubby would rather pitch for a Cali team, even if it means that team is a loser (SF Giants). Good for him. Obviously he cares about something more than money (admirable) and more than winning (stupid). At the same time though, he doesn't initiate a meeting with the Yankees to tell them his plans or even acknowledge the enormous offer they gave him (selfish).
However, I absolutely HATE the idea of Lowe on the Yankees. Personally, I'd rather go after Burnett or Sheets first. Much higher ceilings. Lowe last season in the AL East was disastrous, and he is four years older. Burnett has had mixed results in the East, but he dominates against the big teams and he has great stuff. Sheets has been a member of the NL his entire career, but again, I feel his stuff would translate a tad better to the AL East than Lowe at this point in time. Although, Sheets' stuff has seemed to diminish slightly through the past few years I suppose due to injury. Certainly can't blame it on overuse.
^ dude, this weekend and next week will be busy.
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Whoever will offer a 10-year contract for Teixeira, Scott Boras will have him sign that.
However, the Angels have never been known for handing out 10-year contracts.
I'm hoping the Sox offer that deal...whatever it takes to get Tex signed.
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