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    Dude, I want a cap. I want a system in MLB...I'm just playing devil's advocate.


    Plus, you know that will never, EVER happen with the union there etc.


    And if there is a CAP, there should be a MIN. spending limit too...as far too often, these owners would rather pocket the coin than spend it too. So if you goign to cap it high, you have to cap teams low and make 'em spend the coin too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderInNY View Post
    Dude, I want a cap. I want a system in MLB...I'm just playing devil's advocate.


    Plus, you know that will never, EVER happen with the union there etc.


    And if there is a CAP, there should be a MIN. spending limit too...as far too often, these owners would rather pocket the coin than spend it too. So if you goign to cap it high, you have to cap teams low and make 'em spend the coin too.
    Should be $150 Million cap with an $80 million minimum.


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    The Yankees do have a financial advantage over small market teams, that in no way guarantees a championship or a playoff appearance though. The Marlins bought a World Series a few years ago and no one said anything, why is that? I don't feel sorry for teams that have the means to sign players and choose not to do so. The Yankees are committed to winning and they invest the money they have into their product. They want to win and will do whatever is necessary to do exactly that. I am a Yankee fan and I love the fact that they will do whatever it takes to improve the product. Did you have a problem with Al Davis spending a boatload of money to improve the Raiders in the offseason? The Raiders are at a disadvantage economically as well and you don't hear us complaining about that do you? It is what it is bro. You can't control it so these other teams need to be better at drafting and building their teams in other ways. By not making the playoffs they have an opportunity to draft better talent and the Rays did exactly that. I respect them for what they did last year and it was awesome to see them make that run last year. It can be done and if we have learned anything from the Yankees recently is that their methods haven't worked. They spent a ton and got very little in return. If it was your team doing the same would you be complaining about it? Let's not forget revenue sharing and the luxury tax that the Yankees pay, those funds go directly into other teams pockets, use that money and fight fire with fire.

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    The Brewers' principal owner grew up a Yankees fan, but he's not exactly cheering that team's offseason spending spree...

    ..."They are on a completely different economic playing field," Attanasio told Bloomberg in a separate telephone interview. "I paid $220 million for my team; now they get three players for $420 million."

    Funny it's Bud's old team bringing this up.


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    Riny, aren't you a Mets fan? Your team is doing the exact same thing as the Yankees with their free agent spending spree. They just totally revamped the bullpen in one week with cash, I don't have a problem with that. It's smart business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiderboz View Post
    The Brewers' principal owner grew up a Yankees fan, but he's not exactly cheering that team's offseason spending spree...

    ..."They are on a completely different economic playing field," Attanasio told Bloomberg in a separate telephone interview. "I paid $220 million for my team; now they get three players for $420 million."

    Funny it's Bud's old team bringing this up.
    They just hired a gun for hire in CC, they knew what they were getting into when they made that deal. This guy mortgaged the future for one run at a playoff appearance. I wouldn't make a deal like that unless I could lock the guy up long term, learn from the Angels mistake this past year. Maybe this owner should step his game up and make the right moves so he can be competitive every year. Quit blaming other teams for your problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clubber Lang View Post
    The Yankees do have a financial advantage over small market teams, that in no way guarantees a championship or a playoff appearance though. The Marlins bought a World Series a few years ago and no one said anything, why is that? I don't feel sorry for teams that have the means to sign players and choose not to do so. The Yankees are committed to winning and they invest the money they have into their product. They want to win and will do whatever is necessary to do exactly that. I am a Yankee fan and I love the fact that they will do whatever it takes to improve the product. Did you have a problem with Al Davis spending a boatload of money to improve the Raiders in the offseason? The Raiders are at a disadvantage economically as well and you don't hear us complaining about that do you? It is what it is bro. You can't control it so these other teams need to be better at drafting and building their teams in other ways. By not making the playoffs they have an opportunity to draft better talent and the Rays did exactly that. I respect them for what they did last year and it was awesome to see them make that run last year. It can be done and if we have learned anything from the Yankees recently is that their methods haven't worked. They spent a ton and got very little in return. If it was your team doing the same would you be complaining about it? Let's not forget revenue sharing and the luxury tax that the Yankees pay, those funds go directly into other teams pockets, use that money and fight fire with fire.
    The luxury tax was a cruel hoax which made us believe it would bring teams like the Yankees, Mets, Red Sox and Dodgers down to the rest of the field. It does nothing of the sort.


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    I can see it now...Boob Selig sending out a letter similar to this to prospective MLB buyers.

    Dear Prospective Small Market Owner,

    As the new owner of one of our many franchises not fortunate enough to print money, let us establish some ground rules that may have previously gone unmentioned:

    You will struggle to build and maintain a fan base.

    You will have small-market revenues, but will be forced to pay large-market prices for talent. In other words, you pay what your best well-heeled competitor pays.

    You will be forced to rely heavily on scouting and player development. Translated: younger players who you can pay something close to the minimum for at least a couple of years. You will never be able to hold a nucleus together for more than a few seasons.

    You will most likely never be able to compete for top talent in the free agent market, so don't even entertain the idea. The best you might be able to manage is a .250 hitting outfielder or a pitcher with an ERA of 5.00. And you'll pay exorbitant prices even here due to salary hyper-inflation.

    If you operate strictly from the bottom line, you'll incur the wrath of both fans and the press, who will wonder why you aren't willing to roll the dice on your entire budget. If you do go out on a limb and the player bombs, well, welcome to life on the hook.

    Don't even think of proposing any such thing as revenue sharing or any other means of leveling the playing field. Here in baseball, the motto is "I Got Mine." And when you inevitably grow weary of trying to push the revenue needle upward and decide to sell, no problem. There'll always be another chump to take your place.

    Welcome to the Club!

    Sincerely,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clubber Lang View Post
    They just hired a gun for hire in CC, they knew what they were getting into when they made that deal. This guy mortgaged the future for one run at a playoff appearance. I wouldn't make a deal like that unless I could lock the guy up long term, learn from the Angels mistake this past year. Maybe this owner should step his game up and make the right moves so he can be competitive every year. Quit blaming other teams for your problem.
    I guess it is really true the all Yankee fans wear blinders like horses do so they can only see what is in front of them without taking in the entire picture.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiderboz View Post
    Spoken like a true arogant Yankee fan who thinks the baseball world revolves around them.

    It's the Yankees and Boob Selig who have turned baseball into the joke it is today.

    Can't win a World Series...we'll just go out an buy one.

    Meanwhile Boob sets and twiddles his thumbs and keeps bobbing his head Yes to the owners and players.

    Keep walking around with your blinders on kidding yourself that you are right in your assumptions.
    Conveniently leave out everything else I said. Arrogant Yankee fan? I've said many times in the past that their spending is reckless at times, and in this very thread called their spending "gluttonous."

    You, on the other hand, sound like the typical bitter Yankee hater. Keep acting like the payroll skyrocketed this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiderboz View Post
    I find it funny when people bring up the fact the Yankees haven't won a WS recently as proof that the current system is working.

    The Yankees were in the playoffs 13 straight years driven by huge payrolls. Call me when Tampa, Miami or Minnesota are in for 13 straight years....
    Minnesota contends regularly. And no, the Yankees didn't make it to the playoffs for 13 straight years solely because of payroll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clubber Lang View Post
    They just hired a gun for hire in CC, they knew what they were getting into when they made that deal. This guy mortgaged the future for one run at a playoff appearance. I wouldn't make a deal like that unless I could lock the guy up long term, learn from the Angels mistake this past year. Maybe this owner should step his game up and make the right moves so he can be competitive every year. Quit blaming other teams for your problem.
    It can't possibly be sour grapes because his franchise just got demolished by the Yankees in the CC pursuit, could it?

    MIL's being pissed of at the NYY was also fueled by the fact that the NYY didn't wanna pay all of Cameron's $10M salary for '09 in the exchange for Melky, which was an option the BREWERS picked up like a-holes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clubber Lang View Post
    The Yankees do have a financial advantage over small market teams, that in no way guarantees a championship or a playoff appearance though. The Marlins bought a World Series a few years ago and no one said anything, why is that? I don't feel sorry for teams that have the means to sign players and choose not to do so. The Yankees are committed to winning and they invest the money they have into their product. They want to win and will do whatever is necessary to do exactly that. I am a Yankee fan and I love the fact that they will do whatever it takes to improve the product. Did you have a problem with Al Davis spending a boatload of money to improve the Raiders in the offseason? The Raiders are at a disadvantage economically as well and you don't hear us complaining about that do you? It is what it is bro. You can't control it so these other teams need to be better at drafting and building their teams in other ways. By not making the playoffs they have an opportunity to draft better talent and the Rays did exactly that. I respect them for what they did last year and it was awesome to see them make that run last year. It can be done and if we have learned anything from the Yankees recently is that their methods haven't worked. They spent a ton and got very little in return. If it was your team doing the same would you be complaining about it? Let's not forget revenue sharing and the luxury tax that the Yankees pay, those funds go directly into other teams pockets, use that money and fight fire with fire.
    Yup...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaiderInNY View Post
    Dude, I want a cap. I want a system in MLB...I'm just playing devil's advocate.


    Plus, you know that will never, EVER happen with the union there etc.


    And if there is a CAP, there should be a MIN. spending limit too...as far too often, these owners would rather pocket the coin than spend it too. So if you goign to cap it high, you have to cap teams low and make 'em spend the coin too.
    The Yankees have committed a lot of money this offseason, but again, the payroll is lower than last year. Why is it more of a problem now? Cuz it's all happening in one offseason?

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    For the record, I agree that Sabathia is immensely overpaid. But, they felt like they did what they had to to obtain his services because he filled a HUGE void.

    Teixeira's market was not set by the Yankees. BOS, LAA, WASH, BAL set it, and the Yankees matched it. It's not the NYY's fault that Teixeira preferred to play for them.

    And they "outbid" the Braves offer for Burnett by a measly $0.5M/yr. Why didn't the Braves match it? Or did Burnett prefer the Yankees?

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