Perhaps it is time we admit it...we need a real head coach

**Attyla** · 09-09-2008, 06:51 AM

I know all of the arguements, no one will come here, give Kiffin a chance...etc

But this is a business, and the guy calling the shots has no real pedigree for the job he is doing. He has never been a significant coach in the league, and he is trying to do the job he has no real experience doing.

Hey, I like his swagger, but we got outcoached last night pure and simple. If Ryan was at fault for the loss, I would say fire him....but as bad as the defense was, the offense was just as bad. They knew what we were going to do, and unlike Raider teams of the past....they did stop us.

Flame me, bash me, red dot me. I dont care. We need a guy who knows the job. We have way too many young players in need of coaching to be screwing around.

Al just needs to open up the pocketbook and really pay a guy to really do the job. Getting someone to run the team is not impossible. It is now the time to do it right.

**Chefraider** · 09-09-2008, 06:54 AM

This isn't college.....and our plays were like that of a college team. Mike Dikta said it best at the 1:34 point in the game (end of game) "these guys couldn't beat a small college team"

WE WERE PATHETIC last night and it's going to be a long season unless things HAPPEN and fast!

**vtraider** · 09-09-2008, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Attyla

I know all of the arguements, no one will come here, give Kiffin a chance...etc

But this is a business, and the guy calling the shots has no real pedigree for the job he is doing. He has never been a significant coach in the league, and he is trying to do the job he has no real experience doing.

Hey, I like his swagger, but we got outcoached last night pure and simple. If Ryan was at fault for the loss, I would say fire him....but as bad as the defense was, the offense was just as bad. They knew what we were going to do, and unlike Raider teams of the past....they did stop us.

Flame me, bash me, red dot me. I dont care. We need a guy who knows the job. We have way too many young players in need of coaching to be screwing around.

Al just needs to open up the pocketbook and really pay a guy to really do the job. Getting someone to run the team is not impossible. It is now the time to do it right.

Hey I agree. We cannot do on the job training with the head coach. Go get some experience either in college, or as a coordinator and then we will see what happens

**Chiefhater** · 09-09-2008, 06:58 AM

I couldn't disagree more. Al needs to let his coach bring in his own guys. Rob Ryan should have stayed fired.

The offense was not the problem last night. The defense was. How can any offense compete when the defense forces one freaking put and gives up seven scoring drives? we were running the ball well but had to abandon the run because we suddenly down by two TD's. Ditka said it best. "This defense couldn't stop a good college team".

**Chefraider** · 09-09-2008, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by Chiefhater

I couldn't disagree more. Al needs to let his coach bring in his own guys. Rob Ryan should have stayed fired.

The offense was not the problem last night. The defense was. How can any offense compete when the defense forces one freaking put and gives up seven scoring drives? we were running the ball well but had to abandon the run because we suddenly down by two TD's. Ditka said it best. "This defense couldn't stop a good college team".

Maybe we can draft a RB/WR next yr and not address our NEEDS???? What do ya think? LOL

**hanuma** · 09-09-2008, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Attyla

I know all of the arguements, no one will come here, give Kiffin a chance...etc

Yes and I'd fundamentally disagree with such hollow sentiments too, but I wouldn't at all agree that his O was as poorly managed or thought out as Rob Ryans D last night. Look, with Kiffin he is in year 2 of his rebuild, with a rookie QB, his two main receivers and one key fullback out injured. How much and what has been invested in that O so far? Enough to expect him to overcome a 17-0 defecit against a very good divisional team?

Rob Ryan is in his 5th year with the Raiders, in his time he has had plenty of first round picks thrown his way and he has personally helped to identify players like Sands and Kelly as 'potential probowlers' or 'the best at their position' etc. I'm sorry but there is no comparison there.

With Kiffin we have inexperience, we maybe have nerves, but damn you have one of the most precocious young coaches in football right there. A guy that fights for his team at the risk of his job, a guy that wants to be here for the long haul (and you can't say that about many Raider coaches of late), a guy that helped make us one of the best running teams in the league inside one offseason, using busts, bits and bobs, scraping together all the old failures of our past in Fargas, Gallery, Grove and Sims. Then having a whining, sulking Javon Walker thrust upon him to deal with.

In fact I can't think of a single thing Kiffin's done that at one point on here the sensible members haven't called for themselves. Particularly in standing up to Davis. Because standing up to him is better than quitting.

**The Blade** · 09-09-2008, 07:01 AM

It's time to part ways with the young clueless collage waterboy. He just got out coached last night and it's only going to ge worst.

**HITMAN** · 09-09-2008, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Attyla

I know all of the arguements, no one will come here, give Kiffin a chance...etc

But this is a business, and the guy calling the shots has no real pedigree for the job he is doing. He has never been a significant coach in the league, and he is trying to do the job he has no real experience doing.

Hey, I like his swagger, but we got outcoached last night pure and simple. If Ryan was at fault for the loss, I would say fire him....but as bad as the defense was, the offense was just as bad. They knew what we were going to do, and unlike Raider teams of the past....they did stop us.

Flame me, bash me, red dot me. I dont care. We need a guy who knows the job. We have way too many young players in need of coaching to be screwing around.

Al just needs to open up the pocketbook and really pay a guy to really do the job. Getting someone to run the team is not impossible. It is now the time to do it right.

Kiffin has been around the game long enough, and I think he has the credentials to be a head coach, what most fans fail to see is you can't and will not be successful if you are challenged at every corner by an owner who believes his ways of doing things are correct.

While Kiffin may have gotten out coached last night, it was clear the Raiders don't have the talent upfront to beat the elite of the NFL.

Think about this offseason when the head coach wanted to fire his DC and bring in someone different to run a defense more suited with the HC philosophy, what happens?

If doesn't matter who the head coach is bro, Al Davis will give the thumbs up or the thumbs down on everything and no coach will succeed in that environment... and you know as well as me, that Davis doesn't and won't pay to have a real coach on the sidelines.

**hanuma** · 09-09-2008, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by The Blade

It's time to part ways with the young clueless collage waterboy. He just got out coached last night and it's only going to ge worst.

Out coached at what exactly? It's the sort of claim that demands quite detailed specifics to back it up. To me it just sounds like nonsense. He's 1-2 against Shanahan a guy who has coached football for almost as long as Kiffin has breathed air.

Some of you people have less patience than Davis.

**LOUISVILLE R8R** · 09-09-2008, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by attyla

i know all of the arguements, no one will come here, give kiffin a chance...etc

but this is a business, and the guy calling the shots has no real pedigree for the job he is doing. He has never been a significant coach in the league, and he is trying to do the job he has no real experience doing.

Hey, i like his swagger, but we got outcoached last night pure and simple. If ryan was at fault for the loss, i would say fire him....but as bad as the defense was, the offense was just as bad. They knew what we were going to do, and unlike raider teams of the past....they did stop us.

Flame me, bash me, red dot me. I dont care. We need a guy who knows the job. We have way too many young players in need of coaching to be screwing around.

Al just needs to open up the pocketbook and really pay a guy to really do the job. Getting someone to run the team is not impossible. It is now the time to do it right.

agreed.

**HITMAN** · 09-09-2008, 07:07 AM

In fact I can't think of a single thing Kiffin's done that at one point on here the sensible members haven't called for themselves. Particularly in standing up to Davis. Because standing up to him is better than quitting.

This says it all!

**Chiefhater** · 09-09-2008, 07:08 AM

What Hitman said.

Are some of you guys for real? Kiffin may have been outcoached, but Ryan was Shannhan's personal biTcH.

**POKE** · 09-09-2008, 07:08 AM

I don't understand why if Al Davis can give bums like Tommy Kelly and Javon Walker blank checks why can't he do the same for a f--king proven coach? Quit hiring these no name bum coaches that you ain't gonna give no control to any way and pay for a PROVEN WINNING COACH!

Or better hire a proven GM. Hell you give Tommy Kelly and Javon Walker all this guaranted money. Give a GM $10 mil and a coach. Al Davis needs to stay out the way. Sale the team and buy a house in Puerto Rico.

**speedkills** · 09-09-2008, 07:09 AM

i agree kiffin is no shanahan, gruden or madden he looks like he is in way over his head we can bitch and yell at davis all we want but Kiffin playeda major part in the loss last night

**islandboy** · 09-09-2008, 07:09 AM

The Head Coach is not the problem with this orginization. The problem is how this orginization is run and we all know that there is only one who runs this originization.