Perhaps it is time we admit it...we need a real head coach

**VMM** · 09-10-2008, 09:11 PM

Respectfully... I disagree. It's not that we need a real coach. It's that we need a real owner or for our current owner to realize that he needs to step back. We need a real scouting department and real GM. Lane will be good elsewhere (see Gruden... see Shanahan). It's not even fair to call Kiff the coach as he is obviously not allowed to have any input on defense. The beauty of this is that Lane is obviously pissed and unlike previous coaches has actually gone ahead and spouted off in the media. Here's hoping to more tidbits into the insanity that is our Oakland Raiders. I hope he takes some good shots before the end of his season.

**VMM** · 09-10-2008, 09:17 PM

Completely disagree. With the way our offensive line was playing... you can't do anything but run on that play or you risk getting your franchise QB's head taken off or there's a pick/fumble in your own territory. His knowledge was exactly why Al hired him in the first place. It's just that AL can't have anybody do their own thing. Your dreaming if you think any of those guys listed would come here. We rejected Martz as an assistant last year. Saunders has interviewed twice and either not gotten an offer or turned it down (whomever you believe). Kiffin is making a point by spouting off. Namely that he's the coach but that he's not allowed to really take the reins of the team or make personnel decisions. The only coach we are going to get is a retread. Our best bet would have been for Kiffin to have a Grudenesque run. That only happened because there was a lot of talent still left on the team in the late 90's and that Gruden stood up to Al with regards to coaching and personnel decisions. Al had no choice but to step back when Gruden actual started winning games. The sick thing is that despite our success Al was rumoured to by annoyed by the fact that we were succesful running the WCO and that so much attention was being given to Gruden the golden boy. Davis needs to go.

Originally Posted by awwwkrap

plain and simple, his play calling is similar to a high school coach, in fact i believe one could call better plays than him

3rd and 26 and he runs it

he is preparing Russell and McFadden like they are going to fight in the 3rd World War, they know how to play now unleash them to the rest of the NFL!

Kiffin is a great motivator but he has very little knowledge for an NFL Head Coach, we need someone like Mike Martz or Al Saunders to utilize the talent on our offense

can both Kiffin and Ryan give the reigns to an older experianced coach that has spent some time as a NFL Offensive Coordinator, not a college assistant, these would be SMART hires on Al's part:

Mike Martz
Jim Johnson
Dick Lebeau
Al Saunders

**3243** · 09-10-2008, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by vmmalian

The sick thing is that despite our success Al was rumoured to by annoyed by the fact that we were succesful running the WCO and that so much attention was being given to Gruden the golden boy. Davis needs to go.

I wonder now if that's the reason why Al started having problems with Marcus Allen and eventually benched him. After all, in the mid-'80s Allen was a bonafide superstar and as such was getting a ton of accolades for the Raiders' success, more than Al was for probably the first time.

**hanuma** · 09-11-2008, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by Attyla

Realistically, since that isnt happening and frankly Kiffin's game plan was terrible Monday, he is the logical choice...and frankly so is Ryan...its is a package deal

What was so terrible about it? It was one fumble away from a TD, one missed catch away from a last chance at regaining ground, before the game was lost by the D. The gameplan was perfect for a rookie QB with one vet receiver he's used to and a dominant running game - better execution and he'd be a genius.

This article rather vindicates my earlier point too, RealTime Fantasy Sports - Kiffin washes hands of Raiders blitz-free defense

**hanuma** · 09-11-2008, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by Bldslvrnblk

Are you serious? In the first 3 quarters JR had a second to get rid of the ball. And he had to move to get that. How many penalties did they have? An improvement? Give me a break. Wait until we play a team that has a real Defense. We'll be lucky if JR makes it through the entire game.

Yes I am serious, you've obviously got a bit of amnesia if you've forgotten what was happening only 2 years ago with that particular unit and how much has changed since with the barest minimum of investment. It's got to be one of the best examples in the NFL today as to what good coaching can do for teams. In answer to your other question, it was 3 penalties by OLinemen, 2 false starts by Green and an unecessary roughness from our reserve McQuistan. They all came pretty much after the game was lost (beyond realistic reach).

**VADER08** · 09-11-2008, 02:59 AM

Originally Posted by 3243

I wonder now if that's the reason why Al started having problems with Marcus Allen and eventually benched him. After all, in the mid-'80s Allen was a bonafide superstar and as such was getting a ton of accolades for the Raiders' success, more than Al was for probably the first time.

You bring up a good point here...

**johngarino** · 09-11-2008, 04:12 AM

i just dont buy the whole "kiffins hands are tied". to a degree its true, but on gameday he can do WHATEVER he wants. **** if the guy is trying to get fired because he wants out, he shouldnt care about repercussions from al. yet the playcalling is still bad. the decision making is still bad. hes just not there yet. but most people here dont want to see that. they want to look at him and see jon gruden.

**hanuma** · 09-11-2008, 07:29 AM

So on gameday Rob Ryan is suddenly going to take orders from Kiffin when he's been told he's in charge? You're the one in fantasy land.

**HITMAN** · 09-11-2008, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by 3243

One problem of many. As long as Al insists on drafting James Jett and Sam Graddy clones instead of Joe Jurevicius-type wide receivers, for example, we'll never have the kind of players we need to win consistently. Too many athletes and not enough football players will not get the job done, folks.

Very true and you would think an owner as "smart" as Davis would figure that out on his own!

**buckwild187** · 09-11-2008, 07:45 AM

I mean, does anyone SERIOUSLY think that bringing in a new coach will magically make us better just like that? Who does Al have in mind, Jesus Christ himself maybe? And people need to STOP DREAMING about Bill Cowher of someone of his ilk. Would he make us better? OF course!!! Is he gonna tarnish his reputation by coming here and being forced to kiss Al's ass and not be able to pick ANY players he wants and deal with Al's crappy coaching staff that let him run the puppet show from the owner's box? You know the answer.

**buckwild187** · 09-11-2008, 07:48 AM

Another thing about Cowher, I'm sure he makes at least in the area of $1 mil from CBS. The only way he's gonna leave that cushy job is for something in the area of at the very least $5 mil. Well, AL DOES NOT PAY COACHES. He is more than willing to open the vault for bums like Javon and Tommy Kelly and D. Hall, but he refuses to pay any money for good coach. And we've had exactly ONE half decent coach in the past 25 years. Hmmmmm

**RaiderFanInMD** · 09-11-2008, 07:57 AM

We need a real G.M. first.

**disposeablehero** · 09-11-2008, 08:14 AM

Seriously, I think it is time we face the real issue, we need a real thread, because this one reeks like bad spaghetti. Come on, coach is the LEAST of this train wreck issues.

**neverlooking** · 10-14-2008, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by neverlooking

Actually, Kiffin needs both Marty and the Rat's attitude toward division games.

The Rat had his rodents frothing at the mouth to beat us. Coach Kitten had us prepared like we were gonna play last years' Dolphins, not the rabid rat pack that showed up last night.

I've been lukewarm on Coach Kitten for a long time, and I still think he has a chance to make it here, but he has to learn to both coach and motivate.

Oh yeah, he has to learn to call pass plays, too, and not to worry about int's as JRuss learns the game.

He should'a listened.