Perhaps it is time we admit it...we need a real head coach

[mcnayster]

Do you really believe we need another Head Coach? I suggest you read the papers and follow the Raiders news. The problem is our whacked out, old , stubborn owner. I thought Kiffin was asking for a new D coordinator last year. Turns out, he was right. Our "D" was horrible Mon night. I thought Kiffin was asking for more depth and competition on our wide recievers,"O", & "D" lines. He was right again! Was he also right about his first assessment of Javon? Yes. He was publicly castrated by the same guy that hired him. His hands are tied. Place the blame where it belongs. On Al! I will see you at the games with my brown paper bag on my head. **** Al Davis. He is in the way.

[voicekiller]

we need a vet HC someone like Cowher but Al needs to give up control...until that happens the Raiders will never win

[TheDoctor]

Do you really believe we need another Head Coach? I suggest you read the papers and follow the Raiders news. The problem is our whacked out, old , stubborn owner. I thought Kiffin was asking for a new D coordinator last year. Turns out, he was right. Our "D" was horrible Mon night. I thought Kiffin was asking for more depth and competition on our wide recievers,"O", & "D" lines. He was right again! Was he also right about his first assessment of Javon? Yes. He was publicly castrated by the same guy that hired him. His hands are tied. Place the blame where it belongs. On Al! I will see you at the games with my brown paper bag on my head. **** Al Davis. He is in the way.

Absolutely correct. Kiffin can be a great coach, but Al is just stepping in and wrecking it all. Look at our problems. Were any of them caused by Lane? I think not. Ryan being kept, Al's decision. Walker, Kelly and Hall being signed for big money, Al's decision. Sacking coach after coach, Al's decision. Has anyone noticed that since Rob Ryan has become our Defensive coordinator that we have been going really bad. Maybe the answer is easier than everyone thinks. SACK ROB RYAN AND GET RID OF AL DAVIS!

[HollandRobbie]

I thought our O was better than last years...with Russel gaining more and more exp. it will only get better. Monday night was was of those nights the little plays where not there for us...screenpass to Dmac..fumble otherwise a sure 3 maybe even 7 points at a score of 0-7 that would have meant 3-7 or 7-7 right there..the curry drop we would have marched again who knows what would have happend...also in adddition the 30 yards penalties by mr Hall ( who will regain his form)...he also slipped, etc, etc..also we gave up one deep pass that realy hurt us..so what i am trying to say is. even though it was ugly...i still have faith that current, crew, roster etc will get this right.

I am even plesantly surpriced with the play of our young QB

[Stabler2Branch]

You hit it right on the head! I see your view. I wish the powerhouse days were back when the league feared the AFC West and not the NFC Least

Yeah. Right now the only one fearing the AFC West is us.

Now here's a suggestion for you, Al, since I know you're reading this. Hiring a GM could SAVE you a lot of money because he could identify good players BEFORE they can claim top dollar instead of breaking the bank to overpay guys who were pro bowl players 5 years ago.

[disposeablehero]

Are u kidding me? If there are still people here that think Davis is not the problem here, I am at a loss for words.

[Raiderboz]

I remember two guys in our teams history that had no head caoching experience, but turned out to be great head coaches and those two are Al Davis and John Madden.

What we need is an owner that can let the men he hires do their jobs.

[raiderroo]

I remember two guys in our teams history that had no head caoching experience, but turned out to be great head coaches and those two are Al Davis and John Madden.

What we need is an owner that can let the men he hires do their jobs.

That as well as an owner that will hire a GM and a souting dept and let them do their jobs.

[Attyla]

OK, let me give you details of why I truely believe this is a Kiffin thing

Last year, we played this team close in one game, and won the other by a very good margin...

The defense last year held them for the most part

The major changes to the defense are as follows

Hall replaces Washington. Universally, everyone thought this was an upgrade.

Wilson replaces Huff who replaces Schwiegart...again, everyone immediately says this is an upgrade at both postions

Brown replaces Williams at LB (this position rotates quite a bit) again....not a big difference, and perhaps a slight upgrade.

Offensively, I know it has radically changed. Im not concerned about the offensive changes but I will say that Lelie seems to be an upgrade, I know McFadden is an upgrade. Russell didnt necessarily look bad but had moments.

The point I am making is that we allowed this team to score on us like we were a drunken prom date with what everyone has said was an improved defense. At the very least, everyone said the secondary and LB's were good enough that people would not pass on us with any high level of success.

Who's fault is it? Sure, I can buy Ryan being at fault to a degree....but the head coach did not apparently do anything adjustment wise to the defense and we got torched in the passing game defensively.

Ultimately, that falls on the head coach

[raiderroo]

OK, let me give you details of why I truely believe this is a Kiffin thing

Last year, we played this team close in one game, and won the other by a very good margin...

The defense last year held them for the most part

The major changes to the defense are as follows

Hall replaces Washington. Universally, everyone thought this was an upgrade.

Wilson replaces Huff who replaces Schwiegart...again, everyone immediately says this is an upgrade at both postions

Brown replaces Williams at LB (this position rotates quite a bit) again....not a big difference, and perhaps a slight upgrade.

Offensively, I know it has radically changed. Im not concerned about the offensive changes but I will say that Lelie seems to be an upgrade, I know McFadden is an upgrade. Russell didnt necessarily look bad but had moments.

The point I am making is that we allowed this team to score on us like we were a drunken prom date with what everyone has said was an improved defense. At the very least, everyone said the secondary and LB's were good enough that people would not pass on us with any high level of success.

Who's fault is it? Sure, I can buy Ryan being at fault to a degree....but the head coach did not apparently do anything adjustment wise to the defense and we got torched in the passing game defensively.

Ultimately, that falls on the head coach

Well the head coach did try to make a change to the defense and a major one at that. He fired the DC only for the owner to step in and say nope.

So I can not believe the Kiffen regardless of the fac that he is the HC is allowed any say whatsoever in the Defensive play calling or anything like that.

So IMO the horriblness of this D falls directly on Mr. Davis and his chosen DC. They players that are here on this D are brought in and picked by Davis and Ryan is their coach and he calls the plays.

Im most situations I would agree with you Adam but here I really dont think the HC has any say about the D.

[Attyla]

Well the head coach did try to make a change to the defense and a major one at that. He fired the DC only for the owner to step in and say nope.

So I can not believe the Kiffen regardless of the fac that he is the HC is allowed any say whatsoever in the Defensive play calling or anything like that.

So IMO the horriblness of this D falls directly on Mr. Davis and his chosen DC. They players that are here on this D are brought in and picked by Davis and Ryan is their coach and he calls the plays.

Im most situations I would agree with you Adam but here I really dont think the HC has any say about the D.

Rampant speculation that Ryan is at fault. I do not disagree that is was his defense that didnt do the job. However, the HC is where the buck stops. He can over ride the play call if he thinks he should. Sorry, when I see play calling issues, I never blame the coordinators. I always blame the guy in charge of the show.

Two years ago, we blamed Walsh for a terrible offense...and called for him to be fired...right after we called for Shell to be fired. Everyone blamed them equally....

In this case, while Shell had coaching experience when he got hired...Kiffin had virtually none. His play calling is terrible, and he has no idea what he needs to do.

Sorry, Kiffin is the man in charge on the field, and he should be accountable

[raiderroo]

Rampant speculation that Ryan is at fault. I do not disagree that is was his defense that didnt do the job. However, the HC is where the buck stops. He can over ride the play call if he thinks he should. Sorry, when I see play calling issues, I never blame the coordinators. I always blame the guy in charge of the show.

Two years ago, we blamed Walsh for a terrible offense...and called for him to be fired...right after we called for Shell to be fired. Everyone blamed them equally....

In this case, while Shell had coaching experience when he got hired...Kiffin had virtually none. His play calling is terrible, and he has no idea what he needs to do.

Sorry, Kiffin is the man in charge on the field, and he should be accountable

I do agree that Kiffin derserves blame too. Especially for the poor play calling on offense. But I thin that Ryan deserves just as much blame for the defense.

This defense was Ryans before Kiffin got here and it stunk then. Even with differen HC's the constant on D has been the DC Ryan and the D has been horrid the whole time.

I still just dont think that Kiffin is as in charge as you but thats cool we have varying opinions on the matter. I do agree that Kiffin at this point isnt doing a good enought job tho. I will stick wiht that Ryan is as much to blame if not more so for the D.

[Bram Raider]

OK, let me give you details of why I truely believe this is a Kiffin thing

Last year, we played this team close in one game, and won the other by a very good margin...

The defense last year held them for the most part

The major changes to the defense are as follows

Hall replaces Washington. Universally, everyone thought this was an upgrade.

Wilson replaces Huff who replaces Schwiegart...again, everyone immediately says this is an upgrade at both postions

Brown replaces Williams at LB (this position rotates quite a bit) again....not a big difference, and perhaps a slight upgrade.

Offensively, I know it has radically changed. Im not concerned about the offensive changes but I will say that Lelie seems to be an upgrade, I know McFadden is an upgrade. Russell didnt necessarily look bad but had moments.

The point I am making is that we allowed this team to score on us like we were a drunken prom date with what everyone has said was an improved defense. At the very least, everyone said the secondary and LB's were good enough that people would not pass on us with any high level of success.

Who's fault is it? Sure, I can buy Ryan being at fault to a degree....but the head coach did not apparently do anything adjustment wise to the defense and we got torched in the passing game defensively.

Ultimately, that falls on the head coach

Rampant speculation that Ryan is at fault. I do not disagree that is was his defense that didnt do the job. However, the HC is where the buck stops. He can over ride the play call if he thinks he should. Sorry, when I see play calling issues, I never blame the coordinators. I always blame the guy in charge of the show.

Two years ago, we blamed Walsh for a terrible offense...and called for him to be fired...right after we called for Shell to be fired. Everyone blamed them equally....

In this case, while Shell had coaching experience when he got hired...Kiffin had virtually none. His play calling is terrible, and he has no idea what he needs to do.

Sorry, Kiffin is the man in charge on the field, and he should be accountable

You make many good points.
The best being the flat nature of our play.
That is down to the Head Coach.

At the same time, Lane Kiffin was brought in to upgrade the offense.
That was made clear at the press conference when he was introduced as the new Raider HC.
Rob Ryan (and Al Davis) have much to be held accountable for.

Yet, if another Head Coach (like James Lofton) was going to make enough difference I'd take it.
I'm not as beholden to Lane Kiffin as other on this site.
I don't like changing HCs as it makes the franchise look ridiculous, but if a change will make a difference, then fine.

I just wish Al Davis could at least give SOMEONE a little time.
WHOEVER that may be...

[Attyla]

I do agree that Kiffin derserves blame too. Especially for the poor play calling on offense. But I thin that Ryan deserves just as much blame for the defense.

This defense was Ryans before Kiffin got here and it stunk then. Even with differen HC's the constant on D has been the DC Ryan and the D has been horrid the whole time.

I still just dont think that Kiffin is as in charge as you but thats cool we have varying opinions on the matter. I do agree that Kiffin at this point isnt doing a good enought job tho. I will stick wiht that Ryan is as much to blame if not more so for the D.

Jim Otto wrote a book a bit ago, about Davis' game day involvement on the field. Otto admits that occasionally Davis will send a play to the field, but not very often. So, at the very least...ON GAME DAY Kiffin is primarily in charge...which means he is responsible for the product on the field on game day.

And for those who will say that Davis is more involved than I have indicated...Frankly I will believe Otto before I will believe your speculation. Otto is in the box

[raiderroo]

Jim Otto wrote a book a bit ago, about Davis' game day involvement on the field. Otto admits that occasionally Davis will send a play to the field, but not very often. So, at the very least...ON GAME DAY Kiffin is primarily in charge...which means he is responsible for the product on the field on game day.

And for those who will say that Davis is more involved than I have indicated...Frankly I will believe Otto before I will believe your speculation. Otto is in the box

I wont argue with how involved Davis is on gameday cause I really dont know and I wont pretend to know.

I also dont disagree that Kffin does take some blame just feel that Ryan deserves as much. I completly get what you are saying about the HC having final say.

Ryan thought hasnt produced the entire time he has been here so the DC needs to be blames as does the HC in this situation.