Perhaps it is time we admit it...we need a real head coach

[Nate88]

no coach in their right mind would come here to coach...

maybe we should get bill cowher high, then maybe he will come here

[Wormwood]

Well the majority of us were holding our collective breaths about the defense this offseason and unfortunately, most of our fears came to fruition last night. So what happened to the supposed "new wrinkles" that Ryan promised us during the preseason? That was about as vanilla of a defense that you can throw at an opposing QB. No diff pre snap looks. no blitzing, no stunts and no adjustments. Ryan has had five years to get this thing right and hasn't produced.

[RaiderFunk]

Lane Kiffin would not be the first NFL headcoach outcoached by shannahan. this isn't a bum...this guy has 2 world championships. The kid got outcoached and yes he should bare some blame for not having his team ready to play...but it happens. As I said earlier...there are teams that get blown out at points during the season and then they get in the playoffs...doesn't matter that we lost 100-7 or 100-99 we still loss.

I think Al made his bed and no matter what should commit to the coach for 3 years. 2 years is not enough to turn this around. Mike ditka said our team couldn't beat a college team...but he wasn't talking about the coaching...he was talking about the players. Kiffin is not a good enough coach to overcome bum players...there are only a handful of coaches who can. Proven coach or no...with our offensive and defensive lines..we're not going to win a lot of games...and all the coaching in the world will make these guys play up to the level of their contracts.

[Idaraider!]

man I really can't believe the coach is actually getting called out for his team not executing! I am sorry but to me this is ridiculous, if half of those plays that went bad weren't poorly excuted by the PLAYERS. Kiffin has fire, and isn't afraid of what everybody complains about, and that is standing up to Davis. He is doing a great job, and with the control he has to work with that is saying allot. Everybody wants to complain about Davis keeping to much control, but when somebody takes his own aproach, you say he stinks and doesn't have the experience to run this team. Yes he is a new head coach, but come on give the man a chance to run his team his way, or have puppets for the rest of the time. He is working towards something positive, give him a chance to get there before running him out of town. JMHO of course!

[buckwild187]

Lane Kiffin would not be the first NFL headcoach outcoached by shannahan. this isn't a bum...this guy has 2 world championships. The kid got outcoached and yes he should bare some blame for not having his team ready to play...but it happens. As I said earlier...there are teams that get blown out at points during the season and then they get in the playoffs...doesn't matter that we lost 100-7 or 100-99 we still loss.

I think Al made his bed and no matter what should commit to the coach for 3 years. 2 years is not enough to turn this around. Mike ditka said our team couldn't beat a college team...but he wasn't talking about the coaching...he was talking about the players. Kiffin is not a good enough coach to overcome bum players...there are only a handful of coaches who can. Proven coach or no...with our offensive and defensive lines..we're not going to win a lot of games...and all the coaching in the world will make these guys play up to the level of their contracts.

Great points.

Also, this thread is still incomplete. It says we need a real coach, but offers not suggestions. What "real coach" is gonna come here knowing DAMN WELL what goes on. You can't pick your staff, you can't draft your type of players, and you can't sign the free agents you want. Please tell me, how in the fuuck is ANY coach supposed to succeed in this environment. You can't. You just can't, it's not possible. And the worst part is, let's say you make it through the fire and win some games. The coach starts getting credit, this drives Al bananas, and more soap opera bullshiit follows.


These are the reason why I'm 110% positive we will cheer for a LOSER as long as Al is at the helm.

[Gen_Man]

No. Attyla is correct. We need a real head coach, rather than a part time college OC who is in way over his head. His playbook is thin. The offense can never sustain any rhytym just based on the plays that are called from series to series and how he never sticks with is working. Get somebody with some NFL experience.

[islandboy]

No. Attyla is correct. We need a real head coach, rather than a part time college OC who is in way over his head. His playbook is thin. The offense can never sustain any rhytym just based on the plays that are called from series to series and how he never sticks with is working. Get somebody with some NFL experience.

We also need a real NFL owner who knows how to run a real NFL team.

This current owner has not done the job since 1984.

[3243]

Kiffin is not the problem.

It's the guy who thinks he's still the head coach.

[raiderroo]

I do like Kiffin but maybe Attyla and others are right he is in over his head and just isnt ready. But it isnt all his fault.

We need a real Oline a real Dline a real DC (cause his D git completly whipped and much more so than the O did) and on owner who will just be the owner and hire a GM and such parts and leave the coaches alone let them coach.

We need all those just as much as we need "a real HC".

We need al

[Thedeparted]

What Hitman said.

Are some of you guys for real? Kiffin may have been outcoached, but Ryan was Shannhan's personal biTcH.

x2...

[speedkills]

Ryan was terrible but NO REAL coaches will come here to get bitch slapped by davis

[el boracho]

it was kiffins fault for jamarcus fumbling?

it was kiffins fault for d.hall slipping ?

it was kiffins fault for the fumble on the reverse?

bottomline these players need to execute

[Raidermofojeff]

I couldn't disagree more. Al needs to let his coach bring in his own guys. Rob Ryan should have stayed fired.

The offense was not the problem last night. The defense was. How can any offense compete when the defense forces one freaking put and gives up seven scoring drives? we were running the ball well but had to abandon the run because we suddenly down by two TD's. Ditka said it best. "This defense couldn't stop a good college team".

You have captured my thought exactly...........Were not equipped to win a passing shootout at this point.......Our defense needed to perform and it didn't......Ryan sucks plain and simple..........Get a clue Al!

[Raidermofojeff]

Kiffin is not a good enough coach to overcome bum players...there are only a handful of coaches who can/QUOTE]
I don't think any coach can overcome bum players!
People here actually think Cable can make this horrible O-line good..........
Talent matters ...........

[Raider Loyalist]

I know all of the arguements, no one will come here, give Kiffin a chance...etc

But this is a business, and the guy calling the shots has no real pedigree for the job he is doing. He has never been a significant coach in the league, and he is trying to do the job he has no real experience doing.

Hey, I like his swagger, but we got outcoached last night pure and simple. If Ryan was at fault for the loss, I would say fire him....but as bad as the defense was, the offense was just as bad. They knew what we were going to do, and unlike Raider teams of the past....they did stop us.

Flame me, bash me, red dot me. I dont care. We need a guy who knows the job. We have way too many young players in need of coaching to be screwing around.

Al just needs to open up the pocketbook and really pay a guy to really do the job. Getting someone to run the team is not impossible. It is now the time to do it right.

I agree, I believe next year Holmgren will be available, or perhaps we could look at Cower, if the price is right......almost anyone who has that kind of experience would be an improvement!