Time to trade down!

[Canadian Raider]

I know its been said before..and argued before...but with this unusually deep draft, it's time to trade down. It is clear that a starting (even an impact) WR can be had in the later part of the first round so it makes little sense to go after a WR with the #2. The drafting of a potential franchise QB is interesting, but the new trend in the NFL has found great success in "game managers" from later rounds who can get the job done. It is becoming apparent that dominant QB's aren't enough and can cause salary cap issues which limit the ability of the TEAM to win. Look at the last few Super Bowls and that trend is obvious. The delima in Indianapolis is EXACTLY the problem with a franchise QB. Indy can't build around Manning as they would like because of the $$ issues. The new NFL might even be described as this...NO ONE IS WORTH HUGE MONEY. This is the ultimate team sport and the successfull teams seem to be now built around quality (not great) role players with compedative, team oriented attitudes. With this said, I throw down the gauntlet...let's trade down to get several quality players who can be kept around (and built around) for the future of the team as a whole.

How about this for a scenario:
Trade the #2 for a high 1st and 2nd (at minimum)
Dangle CWood for a #1 this year

Draft the best possible players available, regardless of possition (the old Raider philosophy...and we need almost everything!) with an emphasis on WR, DL early (just my dumb opinion).

Use the CWood salary relief to get FA's as dictated by draft results.

Please keep in mind that I have no clue what I'm talking about.

[AW71]

Originally posted by Canadian Raider
Please keep in mind that I have no clue what I'm talking about.

Screw it, dude...at least you made an attempt!

There's all kinds of scenarios that could happen, and everyone here has an opinion of what should be done. There are only two things that remain:

#1--Last year blew chunks, and if we don't do something about it quick, next year is gonna be long as hell...

#2--The only person that knows for sure what's gonna happen is Mr. Davis himself.

So let's all just sit back, and enjoy the wonderful roller coaster ride that's called, 'The Off-Season'.

[OWShaddock]

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Trade the #2 for a high 1st and 2nd (at minimum)
Dangle CWood for a #1 this year

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While that would be outstanding, keep in mind that we're not the only ones who know this is a deep draft. Other teams with high draft picks won't be eager to give up their second rounders (and more) to move up a few spots because they know they'll get a quality player by staying put.

[Canadian Raider]

Originally posted by OWShaddock
While that would be outstanding, keep in mind that we're not the only ones who know this is a deep draft. Other teams with high draft picks won't be eager to give up their second rounders (and more) to move up a few spots because they know they'll get a quality player by staying put.

Very good point..but I'm assuming that someone may bite on one of the QB's. If Manning doesn't go to the Chargers, there may be a bit of a "feeding frenzy" from teams like the Steelers, Bears or the Bills. I don't think any team will want to move up to a #2 if all they want is a WR or DB. A possible trade up for Gallery is not an unrealistic scenario either. I think that getting a #1 for CWood is doable from some non-divisional team like Detroit. Look what is going on for CBailey right now....I think some teams will give alot for a quality CB since that may be the weakest part of this draft.

[OWShaddock]

The Giants may be the mostl likely trading partner because they're desperate for O-line help and really want Gallery. I'd be more than happy to see the Raiders drop two spots and pick up the Giants second-round pick for the effort. I wouldn't trade our #2 to the Bills because dropping all the way down to #13 is too far. Same with the Steelers unless they throw in a player along with their second-round pick. Bears are very happy with Grossman.

[UK Raider]

I agree in trading and this is one way of doing it.
I know the Woodson's fans with be in uproar here
All this is a mock nothing more nothinkg less.

Raiders draft

Trade C.Woodson to Detroit for #6 and their second #36 and a fourth #104
Trade #2 and det #36 to Houston for their #10, #40 and the rights to Drew Henson

#6 Roy Williams WR Texas
#11 DeAngelo Hall CB Virginia Tech
#40 Issac Sagpoga DT Hawaii
#45 Marquis Hill DE/LB LSU
#67 Max Starks OT Florida
#98 Matt Ware FS UCLA
#104 Nick Leckey CR Kansas State
#129 Carlos Francis WR Texas Tech
#160 Alex Wade FB Duke
#195 Jarrett Payton RB Miami (Fl)
# 213 Jonathan Harrell LB Northern Iowa

Roy Williams is a player that AL will not pass up on He has Speed and can catch
Hall has the qualities to be a shutdown corner
Sagpoga is a typical Raider pick
Hill can be a big time Pass rusher he can play LB
Starks a solid lineman pickup
Ware could under the tutorledge of Rod Woodson become solid FS
The rest are training camp fodder and NFL Europe beckons

[Twisted]

Hill can play LB? You've got the wrong guy, bro. He's a 6'6" 300 pound DE. He could play some DT, though. He'd actually make a good one, I suspect. If we didn't already have Brayton, I'd be all for bringing him in to play Base End. He's got some skill.

[RaiderRef]

Originally posted by OWShaddock
The Giants may be the mostl likely trading partner because they're desperate for O-line help and really want Gallery. I'd be more than happy to see the Raiders drop two spots and pick up the Giants second-round pick for the effort. I wouldn't trade our #2 to the Bills because dropping all the way down to #13 is too far. Same with the Steelers unless they throw in a player along with their second-round pick. Bears are very happy with Grossman.

Don't they want a QB? Collins contract is coming up to its last year and he isn't getting any younger.

[Canadian Raider]

Great post UK Raider!

Now we're talk'in.....maybe Al will let you in the war room in April! You'd kick ass!

[Akira007]

I'd be happy with the UK draft.

[jolleyroger]

i gotta agree w/ ow shaddock on the giants being the best trade going regardless of who they want there will still be quite a choice left to us and the 34th pick could be ours ...stepping infront of da Dolts before they draft 2nd when da phone rings Al will speak and people will listen...

[jolleyroger]

i hope da Dolts go ahead and use that pick so we can hold da rest of the nfl hostage till we find the right bid! would love to trade down once or twice to pick up more 2nd rounders and/or players ... T Couch for one Does anyone remember J Porter olb for da steelers?? not a bad 2nd or third trade down bid ?

[LacrosseRaider]

[Trade C.Woodson to Detroit for #6 and their second #36 and a fourth #104
Trade #2 and det #36 to Houston for their #10, #40 and the rights to Drew Henson

#6 Roy Williams WR Texas
#11 DeAngelo Hall CB Virginia Tech
#40 Issac Sagpoga DT Hawaii
#45 Marquis Hill DE/LB LSU
#67 Max Starks OT Florida
#98 Matt Ware FS UCLA
#104 Nick Leckey CR Kansas State
#129 Carlos Francis WR Texas Tech
#160 Alex Wade FB Duke
#195 Jarrett Payton RB Miami (Fl)
# 213 Jonathan Harrell LB Northern Iowa


I love this draft get Al on the phone and get it done.

[MA Raidah]

basically, Al can't mess up this draft in any way...if we keep the #2 pick, that means we are getting a player like Eli, Gallery, or Fitz.

if he trades, we will probably still be in the top 10, and pick up another 2nd round pick (and maybe more). This is the deepest draft I have seen as long as I have followed it...and we are in prime position to take advantage of it

[jolleyroger]

i might be pipe dreamin abit but i would love to trade down w/the Gmen (for there 2nd) then da Browns for there 2nd+Couch and would seriously consider the Steelers or even the 49's for pics 46 & 51 + next yrs 1st Ya know keep our options wide open.or skip the Gmen and swap w/ the Browns for pic 34 T Couch Northcutt and W Green. and still land Taylor or Roy/ Mike Williams