Ask Liebo Thread

[liebo84]

Originally posted by Jae_Hood
Hey Liebo,

What round do you see Benard Berrian going in? If we don't get Fitz then I wouldn't mind this guy.

Berrian will probably go in the third round, maybe we could draft him in the fourth because of our early pick there. Hes not the strongest guy, but he has good hands and he willingly will go make plays in the middle. I wouldnt mind the guy either.

[liebo84]

[heitz75]

Originally posted by liebo84
The great thing about Gallery is that he is a smart player who will help us immediately. He will be a superstar and a bookend on our line with Walker, like you said. I believe in the Offensive line philosiphy, because it helps our quarterback, runningbacks, and wide receivers, which we are bad at all right now. I believe in shoring up our OLine then, with the great depth at WR, and even at QB there is some depth. I like Gallery as the Raiders choice, but I dont think Al can pass up a talent like Fitzgerald.

Just wondering, if you believe in that, why in the first round of that virtual draft did you pick Fitzgerald? I think we should pick up Gallery and if we trade down he wont be there. Mocks say to Giants.

[liebo84]

Originally posted by heitz75
Just wondering, if you believe in that, why in the first round of that virtual draft did you pick Fitzgerald? I think we should pick up Gallery and if we trade down he wont be there. Mocks say to Giants.

I just decided we should get Fitz. Just changed my mind, really. Thought we needed an offensive player. Too i think Sims could step down and we could start Chad Slaughter

[heitz75]

I'm wondering here. Why does everyone think Fitz can stretch the field? You mentioned the slow 40 time, which I have heard before, but everybody seems to think he is a burner that would be great in Norv's system. He seems more of a Keyshawn to me. Great hands but a bit slow.

[KELLYISTHEMAN]

He's not that slow. He's has the same speed as Jerry Rice back in his prime, which ain't bad.

If blazing speed was so important, James Jett and Alvis Whitted would be our starters.

[Akira007]

After watching the game last night just confirms for me we should spend more picks on the DL and OL. Look what both teams did with the QB's and WR's they have, none but Muhammad and may be Branch were taken in the 2nd the rest were 3rd, 4th rd picks, Delhomme undrafted. A really good DL makes your average DB's look great, a really good OL makes the avg QB and RB look great. We didn't put the pressure on any QB last year, and it wasn't only coaching, QB did have any time to throw. Who knows, Mirer may have won a game or two with protection. Take Fitz, and with out protection he never gets the ball, and becomes a frustrated player in two years, Draft an early QB and he sits for years like Tui, or if he plays takes 3 or 4 years to develope while he gets the crap kicked out of him, because we have a bad OL. We play in a tough division, that crap won't work.

[Trackstar]

Originally posted by heitz75
I'm wondering here. Why does everyone think Fitz can stretch the field? You mentioned the slow 40 time, which I have heard before, but everybody seems to think he is a burner that would be great in Norv's system. He seems more of a Keyshawn to me. Great hands but a bit slow.

You must not have watched Fitzgerald play that much if you think he is as slow as Keyshawn Johnson. You refuse too give Fitzgerald any credit for what he has done. You do realize that he has been compared too and even broke some records of that of Randy Moss.

[Trackstar]

Originally posted by Akira007
After watching the game last night just confirms for me we should spend more picks on the DL and OL. Look what both teams did with the QB's and WR's they have, none but Muhammad and may be Branch were taken in the 2nd the rest were 3rd, 4th rd picks, Delhomme undrafted. A really good DL makes your average DB's look great, a really good OL makes the avg QB and RB look great. We didn't put the pressure on any QB last year, and it wasn't only coaching, QB did have any time to throw. Who knows, Mirer may have won a game or two with protection. Take Fitz, and with out protection he never gets the ball, and becomes a frustrated player in two years, Draft an early QB and he sits for years like Tui, or if he plays takes 3 or 4 years to develope while he gets the crap kicked out of him, because we have a bad OL. We play in a tough division, that crap won't work.

You contradicted yourself. You said a great DL makes average DB's look great. How many times did Ricky Manning Jr get burned by David Givens and Deon Branch?

Im not saying I don't agree with you. You chould have said that better tho. Our offensive line isn't that bad common. Seriously, if I can take the next Moss and groom him behind Rice and Brown then im taking him. Our O line isn't in dire need of a overhaul, it can be improved, but we don't need draft O line at #2.

Also one more thing... We aren't going to be throwing 40 times a game like we used too. Norv Turner isn't Steve Spurrier.

[Akira007]

Manning Jr is a ROOKIE and they to tend to get burned sometimes, look at Buchanon.
The Carolina DL was playing the Pat OL which didn't give up a sack during the entire playoffs. I think we saw last night which line was better. Peppers was no were. Brady had time to throw most of the night without trouble.
Branch was a 2nd RD draft pick in 2001 the 11th WR taken overall and has better numbers then all taken before him except maybe Stallworth.
Yes Fitz could learn behind Brown and Rice no don't, but if we aren't throwing 40 times why waste a high pick on a WR who'll get limited touches from a QB who'll be running for his life. Mirer's surely not the great QB some thought he would be but when you throw for 21yds vs SD, 68 vs Pit somethings wrong with the OL.
Trade down and get more picks. WR's like Branch, Steve Smith, Muhammad prove you don't need to use a high pick. hell even TO was taken in the 4th or 5th.

[Trackstar]

Originally posted by Akira007
Manning Jr is a ROOKIE and they to tend to get burned sometimes, look at Buchanon.
The Carolina DL was playing the Pat OL which didn't give up a sack during the entire playoffs. I think we saw last night which line was better. Peppers was no were. Brady had time to throw most of the night without trouble.
Branch was a 2nd RD draft pick in 2001 the 11th WR taken overall and has better numbers then all taken before him except maybe Stallworth.
Yes Fitz could learn behind Brown and Rice no don't, but if we aren't throwing 40 times why waste a high pick on a WR who'll get limited touches from a QB who'll be running for his life. Mirer's surely not the great QB some thought he would be but when you throw for 21yds vs SD, 68 vs Pit somethings wrong with the OL.
Trade down and get more picks. WR's like Branch, Steve Smith, Muhammad prove you don't need to use a high pick. hell even TO was taken in the 4th or 5th.

Ricky Manning had a bad game. Im not argueing that. He made his name known in that one game vs the Eagles, he is overrated in my opinion. He had a bad game end of story.

Our offensive line (which isn't really that bad, look at the Giants) can be fixed in the free agent market. Plus in the draft you can draft Fitzgerald who can learn behind two of the greatest WR's of all time and a star in the making. Do you want to bring a vet or do you want the rookie who people are calling Randy Moss? You make your choice, but im going with Fitzgerald.

You also realize that TO didn't have a great college career, didn't run a good 40 time, came from a small school and wasn't half the size that he is now. So it's no wonder people wouldn't draft a project like him early.

[heitz75]

Originally posted by Jae_Hood
You must not have watched Fitzgerald play that much if you think he is as slow as Keyshawn Johnson. You refuse too give Fitzgerald any credit for what he has done. You do realize that he has been compared too and even broke some records of that of Randy Moss.

Actually I didn't watch any games of him I don't like college ball. I DID however see alot of highlights. I understand he broke college records or tied some, But what I saw was blown coverages or jump balls. He has heart and passion to get to the ball, I didn't say he was a scrub, I said He is not the burner people think he is. Also when he gets to the pro level he will look as slow Keyshawn. His 40 may be comparable to Rice's in his prime but in 20 yrs everybody is faster and more athletic now.

[Trackstar]

Originally posted by heitz75
Actually I didn't watch any games of him I don't like college ball. I DID however see alot of highlights. I understand he broke college records or tied some, But what I saw was blown coverages or jump balls. He has heart and passion to get to the ball, I didn't say he was a scrub, I said He is not the burner people think he is. Also when he gets to the pro level he will look as slow Keyshawn. His 40 may be comparable to Rice's in his prime but in 20 yrs everybody is faster and more athletic now.

I know the highlights your talking about, but Fitz runs great routes also and can jump pretty damn good... His speed is like Hines Ward.

[Akira007]

Not sure were you got your TO info but he was 1st team all conference soph and senior season and 2nd team junior year, and broke numerous Southern Conference records. He was 6'3" when he was drafted but about 20lbs lighter. He ran the anchor leg on his college teams 4x100 meter relay, so I'd say it's safe to say he's got wheels.

I agree there are OL on the market that can help, there are also a few WR ( RFA Steve Smith), that also would be worth looking at depending on what we do with what we have. But with the needs we have banking on a position player (QB, WR) from the 1st rd panning out when you could get two for one. Look at getting Harrison and Buchanon and Braytyon and Asomugh we could do that type of drafting again. Just hate putting all the eggs in one basket. I look at the drafts back to 98 and the receivers taken in the 1st rd and the only receivers taken that have made a real impact are Moss, Holt and Boston. Buress started to make some noise but fell off. The others David Terrell, Santana Moss, Koren Robinson, Taylor, Warrick, etc haven't produced like a 1st rounder but their getting paid like one.