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I don't wanna sound like a smart ass but that's exactly what I thought, too! If we end up drafting Fitzgerald with the #2 pick,I hope we can still get a stud at DT. I'm hoping for Darnell Dockett or Marcus Tubbs. Maybe even Dwan Edwards, do you think he's worthy of a high second round pick?

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In the second round I see Edwards or Dockett as the likely option. Tubbs will probably be taken by the Broncos or chiefs, but Dockett's size will most likely keep him out of the first round. Edwards I like from what I have seen from him and he will be the person most likely to be available for us in the second round when we pick.
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What is your thought on Michael Turner? think he might be someone the raiders would be interested in. Also any later round qb suprises
First off, I like Turner more than some of the other RB prospects in the second and third round because when he gets past the secondary he is always gone. They call him Burner for a reason, thats for sure. I like his moves and Al loves speed guys. I doubt we will draft him though, but if the Raiders go best player available, he may be the pick in the third round.

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Cody Pickett QB Washington- He sucked this year but had no protection. He has a great arm

Erik Rasmussen San Diego- How many QBs do you know that had 3 interceptions in a season?

Jaredm Lorenzen- 290 pounder has a great arm but not much else. Is about as much as an Al Davis pick as you can get.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they draf Jeff Smoker in the 3rd or 4th round. Or John Navarre in the 4th or 5th round.
Smoker will probably go in the 5th, Navarre in the 5th or sixth. They seem like Al picks, but Im not sold on if we even need a quarterback
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In the second round I see Edwards or Dockett as the likely option. Tubbs will probably be taken by the Broncos or chiefs, but Dockett's size will most likely keep him out of the first round. Edwards I like from what I have seen from him and he will be the person most likely to be available for us in the second round when we pick.
Edwards would be very nice in the second but do you think there's a chance he could fall to us at the top of round 3? I think Darnell Dockett won't get past San Diego in the second round, allthough they might opt to go with a big run stuffer instead of Dockett.

What do you think of Isaac Sopoaga, DT, Hawaii and in what round do you see him getting drafted? He seems a good run stuffer with limited pass rush skills/moves. Any chance we could see him ending up in Silver & Black?

Last thing...what would be your perfect draft for Oakland (all 7 rounds)? Just curious...

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Edwards would be very nice in the second but do you think there's a chance he could fall to us at the top of round 3? I think Darnell Dockett won't get past San Diego in the second round, allthough they might opt to go with a big run stuffer instead of Dockett.

What do you think of Isaac Sopoaga, DT, Hawaii and in what round do you see him getting drafted? He seems a good run stuffer with limited pass rush skills/moves. Any chance we could see him ending up in Silver & Black?

Last thing...what would be your perfect draft for Oakland (all 7 rounds)? Just curious...
Edwards, probably not, Dockett may be gone when we pick too.

Sopoaga I love as a nose tackle. Although our hopes for Ryan basically have been foiled by Billick and we may stay in a 3-4. If we switch to a 3-4 we could get Sopoaga in the third round.

Now, I am doing a 7 round draft currently, and heres who I have

1. Larry Fitzgerald WR Pitt- Can Al honestly pass up on Fitzgerald?

2. Stuart Schweigert FS Purdue- Smart do-it-all player

3. Dave Ball DE UCLA- Outside passrusher with great speed

4. Kirk Chambers OT Stanford- Huge tackle who uses his body well

5. Cody Pickett QB Washington- Starter or no starter, we have no depth at QB either way

6. Raheem Orr DE Rutgers-Anyone who barely follows RU football knows how big a beast he is

7. Bruce Perry RB Maryland- Al style pick

7. Dante Balestracci LB Harvard- One of the smartest players.
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Rivers, G.Jones, Cobbs

Any chance of Rivers or one of the bigger backs in rd 2 or 3. Granted Fitz is young and has talent, but had trouble getting off the line against Miami, who had the best talent he faced all year. Yes he can improve. Why not trade down and add picks and go for Roy Williams?
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Now, I am doing a 7 round draft currently, and heres who I have

1. Larry Fitzgerald WR Pitt- Can Al honestly pass up on Fitzgerald?

2. Stuart Schweigert FS Purdue- Smart do-it-all player

3. Dave Ball DE UCLA- Outside passrusher with great speed

4. Kirk Chambers OT Stanford- Huge tackle who uses his body well

5. Cody Pickett QB Washington- Starter or no starter, we have no depth at QB either way

6. Raheem Orr DE Rutgers-Anyone who barely follows RU football knows how big a beast he is

7. Bruce Perry RB Maryland- Al style pick

7. Dante Balestracci LB Harvard- One of the smartest players.
I'm surprised you don't have them drafting a DT. It should be one of our priorities going into the draft.

What's your take on DT's Donnell Washington out of Clemson and Demarco McNeil out of Auburn? I especially like Washington (6'6"/320lbs.) because of his great size, something we've been lacking on our D-line, plus he gets a great push up the middle and he's got a ton of upside.

Where do you see both of these players getting drafted?
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Edwards, probably not, Dockett may be gone when we pick too.

Sopoaga I love as a nose tackle. Although our hopes for Ryan basically have been foiled by Billick and we may stay in a 3-4. If we switch to a 3-4 we could get Sopoaga in the third round.

Now, I am doing a 7 round draft currently, and heres who I have

1. Larry Fitzgerald WR Pitt- Can Al honestly pass up on Fitzgerald?

2. Stuart Schweigert FS Purdue- Smart do-it-all player

3. Dave Ball DE UCLA- Outside passrusher with great speed

4. Kirk Chambers OT Stanford- Huge tackle who uses his body well

5. Cody Pickett QB Washington- Starter or no starter, we have no depth at QB either way

6. Raheem Orr DE Rutgers-Anyone who barely follows RU football knows how big a beast he is

7. Bruce Perry RB Maryland- Al style pick

7. Dante Balestracci LB Harvard- One of the smartest players.
Liebo, what do you think the chances are that the Raiders will go after Greg Jones if he's around in the 2nd round? With Fargas coming back and possibly Wheatley/Garner if they are wanted back, do we need one or would Al even consider using another pick on a RB that high? With Norv on board I'm thinking we will be looking to pound the ball more and although I love Wheatley, I'd like some insurance. Fargas would give us the quick burst, change of pace, but I don't know if I see Garner involved much. A guy like Jones could be the workhorse we need. Combine this pick with Gallery and you'd have an instand bad-ass ground game.

I also see that we need help on defense, but I do see more defensive free agents available that I like than I do on offense.
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I'm surprised you don't have them drafting a DT. It should be one of our priorities going into the draft.

What's your take on DT's Donnell Washington out of Clemson and Demarco McNeil out of Auburn? I especially like Washington (6'6"/320lbs.) because of his great size, something we've been lacking on our D-line, plus he gets a great push up the middle and he's got a ton of upside.

Where do you see both of these players getting drafted?
I like Donnell Washington and Demarco McNeil because they help the players around them, especially their linebackers. Both play the same and use their size to their advantage (although McNiel is 20lb smaller)

Niel may go in the late first early second, and Washington will go in the mid second (he is a possibility for us in the second round)

As far as DTs go, I think we can draft one later, but theres not much depth unless we want Washington or Olshanky from Oregon. Most of the good ones will be gone by the time we pick in the second round and in the third round theres not much. FA would probably be better because Id take Schweigert over Olshanky or Washington
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Liebo, what do you think the chances are that the Raiders will go after Greg Jones if he's around in the 2nd round? With Fargas coming back and possibly Wheatley/Garner if they are wanted back, do we need one or would Al even consider using another pick on a RB that high? With Norv on board I'm thinking we will be looking to pound the ball more and although I love Wheatley, I'd like some insurance. Fargas would give us the quick burst, change of pace, but I don't know if I see Garner involved much. A guy like Jones could be the workhorse we need. Combine this pick with Gallery and you'd have an instand bad-ass ground game.

I also see that we need help on defense, but I do see more defensive free agents available that I like than I do on offense.
As far as Jones goes, I doubt hell be available in the second because the patsies or cowboys will probably take him, but I think we may try to get him. He is shiftier than most power runners and Norv loves to pound the ball, but just remember, Al handles the draft, so Im not sure what Al wants but a RB in round 2 is probably not it. He also has a knee injury that may effect the longevity of his career. Besides Jones and Jackson though, there is little else left in power runners that will go in day 1. I doubt well draft a runningback high, but for next year, Cedric Benson is a guy Turner would like. He gained basically all of his yards after the initial hit last year and he can take a ton of carries a game.
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As far as Jones goes, I doubt hell be available in the second because the patsies or cowboys will probably take him, but I think we may try to get him. He is shiftier than most power runners and Norv loves to pound the ball, but just remember, Al handles the draft, so Im not sure what Al wants but a RB in round 2 is probably not it. He also has a knee injury that may effect the longevity of his career. Besides Jones and Jackson though, there is little else left in power runners that will go in day 1. I doubt well draft a runningback high, but for next year, Cedric Benson is a guy Turner would like. He gained basically all of his yards after the initial hit last year and he can take a ton of carries a game.
That's what I was thinking. Didn't think about Benson, depending on how he does next year he might make a solid choice. What about the QB situatioin -- shouldn't you always take a franchise QB given the chance?

I still like Gallery, Fitzgerald and Taylor the most out of this draft -- as of today anywyas.
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That's what I was thinking. Didn't think about Benson, depending on how he does next year he might make a solid choice. What about the QB situatioin -- shouldn't you always take a franchise QB given the chance?

I still like Gallery, Fitzgerald and Taylor the most out of this draft -- as of today anywyas.
I hate taking a franchise QB in the top 10, because unless they have no flaws whatsoever they will not pan out. If Manning is available, then sure, but Roethlisberger I am not completely sold on. I think Big Al would want to start Roethlisberger right away, and that would not be good. Look at how all of the QBs from small schools did with some time to learn the NFL. I think Fitzgerald is who were gonna go with
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