Draft Update - Defensive Ends (Speed)

[crizpynutz]

Here are the top speed rushers (sub 4.80 40-yard time) in the draft:

Terrell Suggs
Arizona St.
6'3" 257 lbs. 4.77 40-yard

Jerome McDougle
Miami
6'2" 264 lbs. 4.66 40-yard

Chris Kelsay
Nebraska
6'4" 273 lbs. 4.71 40-yard

Michael Haynes
Penn St.
6'3" 278 lbs. 4.68 40-yard

Dewayne White
Loiusville
6'2" 273 lbs. 4.75 40-yard

Tyler Brayton
Colorado
6'6" 277 lbs. 4.76 40-yard

Calvin Pace
Wake Forest
6'4" 269 lbs. 4.75 40-yard

Tully Banta-Cain
California
6'2" 264 lbs. 4.62 40-yard

Andrew Williams
Miami
6'2" 263 lbs. 4.63 40-yard

Antwan Peek
Cincinatti
6'3" 246 lbs. 4.62 40-yard

Other prospects: Cory Redding, Alonzo Jackson, Kindal Moorhead, Clint Mitchell
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Anyone stick out in particular? I see no reason why we can't land one really good prospect in the first round and another in a later round. I was really excited reading about Banta-Cain (which you west coast peeps probably already know), but I like what I've read about him more than Kenyon Coleman and I really like him too. Chris Kelsay and Jerome McDougle are intersting prospects. Normally they would be gone in the top 15, but they are the 4th and 5th ranked DL's in the draft and might fall into the 20's, prime range for us to trade up without losing our other 1st round pick. The Raiders could trade one of their 1sts and next years 2nd (from Tampa Bay) and get either McDougle or Kelsay. I really see no reason why this can't happen. Consider this, the following players are very likely going to get drafted first:

Terrell Suggs
Jimmy Kennedy
Dwayne Robertson
Jonathan Sullivan
Kevin Williams
Rien Long

How about Antwan Peek as a hybrid DE/OLB? At only 245 lbs. and a 4.62 40-yard time he could be worth a 4th rounder.

Any thoughts?

[Eastraider]

I don't like the idea of trading any high picks to move up for anyone other than Suggs, and we cannot move up that far.

My top two are (Suggs & McDougle will be long gone):

Kelsay has a great motor, Neb players play hard, are sound fundamentally.

Redding has great physical tools but supposedly underachieved at Texas.

[daraydaz]

Damn you Crizp, now I'm confused more than ever.

If there's any shot at trading up to get McDougle, I would do it in a heart beat. I'm sure PBuch wouldn't mind. Suggs and Haynes will be too far out of our reach.
I've also heard good things about Banta-Cain too but don't know a lot about him. Looks like he has some nice speed. I don't think Peek will last until the fourth some mocks have him going as high as a late second rounder but if we could grab him in the third, I wouldn't be disappointed.
Assuming we stay put, I'd probably go either Redding or Kelsay and then Dewayne White.

[daraydaz]

Damn you Crizp, now I'm confused more than ever.

If there's any shot at trading up to get McDougle, I would do it in a heart beat. I'm sure PBuch wouldn't mind. Suggs and Haynes will be too far out of our reach.
I've also heard good things about Banta-Cain too but don't know a lot about him. Looks like he has some nice speed. I don't think Peek will last until the fourth some mocks have him going as high as a late second rounder but if we could grab him in the third, I wouldn't be disappointed.
Assuming we stay put, I'd probably go either Redding or Kelsay and then Dewayne White.

[Karl]

Kenny King looks good to me with a later round pick. He played DT last year, but has good speed, 4.7, and has played DE first 2 or 3 years. Not in the category of the others listed, but might be a workhorse like RColeman. Reports say he's very strong and has the frame to build his 270 to 290 if needed.

[Mr.Murder]

Post their cone drill quick twitch times, best way to determine their burst/direction change quickness, look at the films for who pursues the best, de run over open ground more than dt more space to cover on weakside pursuits the wacth doesnt do much for me there... film shows the kind of pursuit angles and awareness that top nothch de need.
The last three you posted have great 40 times, but their height/reach less, may have more trouble breaking down blocks to use speed... Al will surprise us as usual, the Cal guy probably merits most consideration for wheree we draft from. Mid to late...Cain or Peek seem to be the ones we will have best chance to get.

[crizpynutz]

Originally posted by Mr.Murder
Post their cone drill quick twitch times, best way to determine their burst/direction change quickness, look at the films for who pursues the best, de run over open ground more than dt more space to cover on weakside pursuits the wacth doesnt do much for me there... film shows the kind of pursuit angles and awareness that top nothch de need.
The last three you posted have great 40 times, but their height/reach less, may have more trouble breaking down blocks to use speed... Al will surprise us as usual, the Cal guy probably merits most consideration for wheree we draft from. Mid to late...Cain or Peek seem to be the ones we will have best chance to get.

Very good point murder, especially about the reach of defensive line players. That can make a very huge deal. Rod Coleman must has monkey arms! I was looking at some tape last night, man, he was holding guys like a foot away from him and just pushing back. I didn't think he had that much power, but it does make me believe that reach on the line must be pretty huge. I like Cain a lot, and Peek, but I don't know too much about Cain either.

[daraydaz]

Tully Banta-Cain - California 6-3 255 pounds

Strength:
Speed off the line
Pursuit

Weakness::
Size
Seperation

Assessment::
Tully Banta-Cain doesn't look like a defensive end out of uniform and on the football field he is usually dwarfed by his linemates. Tully Banta-Cain might rival a player like Alonzo Jackson when it comes to explosiveness off the line. Banta-Cain doesn't have amazing speed but he gets off the line so fast and displays pursuit ability that is so good that it compensates for his overall lack of speed. Banta-Cain fails to create separation when trying to bullrush the quarterback, will have to work on upper body strength and leverage at the next level if he wants to play every down. Will take some time to develop but he could be used as a spark for a contending team out there who could take him by the late 4th to early 6th round.

[Mr.Murder]

Another Nap Harris, a D end who could play lb, has the makings of Johnstone, strictly a pure speed-rusher. Should be around mid-three ...

[crizpynutz]

I like him already. As a matter of fact, I want to pencil him in as my 4th round pick right now. 6-3 isn't too small, but 255 is. His height is fine, if he could add 15 lbs. without losing that speed, he could be the speed rusher we have sought after all off-season. If Roderick Coleman can jump from 255 in college to 290-300 in the NFL, I'm sure Cain could bump to 270 without much trouble. Not a bad sounding 4th rounder to me.

[RaiderRex]

I like that Peek guy from Cincy. I saw him play against OSU, who Cincy damn near beat. He was causing a lot of troubles for Ohio State's line. Fast, very fast.
I wouldn't mind at all seeing this guy in Oakland.

I remember watching him during that game and thinking, this guy looks like he could make plays in the NFL. I figured maybe he'd be a late-round steal for some team. But looks like everyone already knows about him.

[Mr.Murder]

Peek is taller, so he probably can keep blockers off his body to keep his size from being taken advantage of, may help him string plays out in pursuit. Think he goes before cain, but Cain's size very much Nap harris, speed rush end with good movement that maybe