Al Davis takes a shot at Jessie Jackson

[HOFBoundBrown]

I believe we have a big problem in sports. A very high % of players are african-american, but the coaches are white. Do we have a policy for signing more white players??? How about Asian?? Spanish??? Where do the border lines end??? Manafest Destiny perhaps

[MaddenRaider]

Originally Posted by MadCow

You can't help those who don't help themselves. JJ should hook compton up with a gats for books drive if this were the problem. People do have a choice they don't need to stay in the ghetto. I see Mexicans straight from the border bustin ass in the fields of california earning money, they aren't complaining about education, they aren't out shooting eachother. They are setting themselves up for the future. I know guys that hardly speak any english driving better cars than alot of the people I know. Fact of the matter is there is plenty of jobs out there for minorities, but some would rather sell crack and rob people for a living. Guns for hammers, bullets for nails now build yourself a future.

"You don't need no gun control. You know what you need? Bullet control. I think all bullets should cost $5000. You know why? If a bullet cost $5000 there'd be no more innocent bystanders." - Chris Rock

What a bunch of racist bull****.

First of all, I never said a damned thing about guns. I'm talking about the quality of the public school system. I imagine you just read the first line of my post and that sent you on your extreme, far right, pat buchannon-esque diatribe; Because had you read further, you would have at least given me an answer as to why public schools in Compton look like outhouses and why public schools in Beverly Hills look like cathedrals, even if it was a narrow-minded, typcial republican answer like, 'hey, luck of the draw. it's not the Bevery Hills kids' fault they're from Beverly Hills'.

What I'm talking about is the EQUAL distrubution of funds to ALL public schools. IT should be nationwide, but it's currently by district. And I wonder why. Discticting usually breaks down within counties. The public school system, and anything dealing with the education and well being of children must be federalized, and this is exactly why. With the districting, nothing will go to the inner city schools and the aflluent schools will get everything. The affluent schools can do with a couple of less computers, especially being that the computers are, a lot of the time, being used to play video games and download music by kids who have way too much time on thier hands.

private schools are private schools. If you want to send you kid to a private school, that's your right. But we MUST have a public school system, and we must have an equal distrubution of funds generated from federal taxes going to ALL public schools. This isn't a personal accountability issue, were talking about grammar school kids here. You and your f**king 'guns for nails' ****. How ignorant. No more FoxNews for you.

And, again, had you read my post you would have seen that I said Jessie Jackson's efforts in the private sector are too artificial. It does no good for a black person to be hired as a ceo when he was only hired because he was black. but where Jessie's cause could use some good is to push for more funding to inner city public schools, and push for redistricting and even federalizing, where possible. The imbalance of education between the average black kid and the average white kid is unthinkable. And it IS our responsiblity as a nation. We're dealing with children and we're dealing with PUBLIC schools.

Your typical argument, and I mean very typical argument, of people in the inner city being more accountable for thier actions makes a little more sense when your dealing with the adult world and the free market, allthough I still feel it's a bit too black-and-white. It ignores any grey area and lacks practicality in today's economic world, in my opinion. But that's another topic alltogether.

The public school system is racially inbalanced, you would have to be blind or completely ignorant not to see that. And that's where Jessie Jackson should direct his cause, not the owners of big businesses.

[RaiderRef]

If the schools in Beverly Hills and in Compton were built the same the ones in Compton would probably be trashed first. Cops would let vandilism just go by the way side in Compton and make something of it in Beverly Hills. People are rebellious and this is how they get attention. Everyone wants there piece of the pie. In Beverly Hills it was given to them or they busted their asses to get it. In Compton the ones who vandlelize do it as a territorial type thing. They don't feel they can get what they want any other way. This makes them feel better. Its not that they don't know any better its just that they don't think they can get it any better. The reason the schools remain the same way longer and new schools aren't built in these areas is the same as if you bought your child something expensive and they continuously thrashed it. Eventually you would stop this cycle by making them use what they have until they can learn to appreciate it. Other issues are the fact that where the money is spent the money is used. This whole process hurts the people that are really trying but are forced to live in these same neighborhoods. Their not really forced but they are complacent. They do something like get a job in a grocery store and feel content with it because it takes care of their initial needs. These people get in a comfort zone and don't worry about trying to accomplish more. Part of success is failure. President Lincoln failed over and over if you look at all the political races that he lost you would wonder how he ever got elected as president. Then after he did make it he was assascinated. Some people are afraid of change. Like a child when you get them off the bottle. You have to believe in yourself and don't let yourself get stale to succeed and get out of these ruts that life can put us in. Everyone wants better but not everyone wants to put up the battle it takes to get there. Colonel Sanders was in his 70's or at least 60's before he reached any kind of real success. Dave Thomas the same thing with Wendys. Ray Crok believed in helping others and in turn was rewarded for a successfull plan that he created in McDonalds. Adwalla fruit juice distributor started off as a couple guys who delivered fresh squeezed orange juice to local restaraunts. There are stories like these that I can go on and on with. These people had nothing but they did what it took to get out of the rut that life can put us in.

[MadCow]

Originally Posted by MaddenRaider

What a bunch of racist bull****.

First of all, I never said a damned thing about guns. I'm talking about the quality of the public school system. I imagine you just read the first line of my post and that sent you on your extreme, far right, pat buchannon-esque diatribe; Because had you read further, you would have at least given me an answer as to why public schools in Compton look like outhouses and why public schools in Beverly Hills look like cathedrals, even if it was a narrow-minded, typcial republican answer like, 'hey, luck of the draw. it's not the Bevery Hills kids' fault they're from Beverly Hills'.

What I'm talking about is the EQUAL distrubution of funds to ALL public schools. IT should be nationwide, but it's currently by district. And I wonder why. Discticting usually breaks down within counties. The public school system, and anything dealing with the education and well being of children must be federalized, and this is exactly why. With the districting, nothing will go to the inner city schools and the aflluent schools will get everything. The affluent schools can do with a couple of less computers, especially being that the computers are, a lot of the time, being used to play video games and download music by kids who have way too much time on thier hands.

private schools are private schools. If you want to send you kid to a private school, that's your right. But we MUST have a public school system, and we must have an equal distrubution of funds generated from federal taxes going to ALL public schools. This isn't a personal accountability issue, were talking about grammar school kids here. You and your f**king 'guns for nails' ****. How ignorant. No more FoxNews for you.

And, again, had you read my post you would have seen that I said Jessie Jackson's efforts in the private sector are too artificial. It does no good for a black person to be hired as a ceo when he was only hired because he was black. but where Jessie's cause could use some good is to push for more funding to inner city public schools, and push for redistricting and even federalizing, where possible. The imbalance of education between the average black kid and the average white kid is unthinkable. And it IS our responsiblity as a nation. We're dealing with children and we're dealing with PUBLIC schools.

Your typical argument, and I mean very typical argument, of people in the inner city being more accountable for thier actions makes a little more sense when your dealing with the adult world and the free market, allthough I still feel it's a bit too black-and-white. It ignores any grey area and lacks practicality in today's economic world, in my opinion. But that's another topic alltogether.

The public school system is racially inbalanced, you would have to be blind or completely ignorant not to see that. And that's where Jessie Jackson should direct his cause, not the owners of big businesses.

I'm not being racist, I'm just saying you can't help those who don't help themselves. And I'm definately not blaming the kids, its the hopeless parents of these kids who should of gotten a job and got themselves out of the ghetto and raised there kids up somehere where they could have have a future. It's not that hard if you think about save up a couple of bucks for the greyhound bus go somewheres promising check into a shelter get a job and plant your feet. Quit bleeding the welfare office and crying cause your not getting any free handouts. Is it that hard really? No people do it all the time, I even know a few personally. A little hard work never hurt anyone.

[dEADmANwALKING]

Originally Posted by HOFBoundBrown

I believe we have a big problem in sports. A very high % of players are african-american, but the coaches are white. Do we have a policy for signing more white players??? How about Asian?? Spanish??? Where do the border lines end??? Manafest Destiny perhaps

I hear ya but,but the Raiders have always hired,and have got the best people to coach,and play..period,its all about winning,players slip they get cut,coachs lose respect from the players,or have an awfull year,they go to nebraska....take for example when Dennis green was in minnesota,great coach,one of the best,but some of the black players thought it was a country club,hell for a while I thought chris carter was the coach,his team did not lose respect him,he lost respect for them....I mean there are leaders,and followers...they are never equal,and when they are,or think they are...it all falls apart....there is not a color problem in football,sh** I hate saddam,but if he could coach us to a championship go for it,...again its all about winning.....sure if it were a perfect world,this thread would not have started...there are deep feelings about race,on both sides of the wall,and this is the kind of thing in this era of media hype,that can derail our championship run this year,and why, so someone can feel better,hell when the raiders lose I feel like sh**...keep it real.


Go Raiders

[Raiderboz]

Originally Posted by HOFBoundBrown

I believe we have a big problem in sports. A very high % of players are african-american, but the coaches are white. Do we have a policy for signing more white players??? How about Asian?? Spanish??? Where do the border lines end??? Manafest Destiny perhaps

I agree with this statement....If you are going to have guidelines for one race then you have to have them for the others as well. Because if you don't, then the it kind of defeats the purpose.


If they don't like the way things are going, then they can throw their hats into the arena and request an expansion franchise from the NFL.

Bottom line is that you can't please everyone and when you come down to it Jesse Jackson, Kellen Winslow and the other DO NOT OWN THESE TEAMS.

[Trife22]

About a year ago I got upset at something someone said similar to this about AL Davis, in the middle of my yelling I think I put together like 20 things I knew about AL Davis has did for minority's this is really one of the main reasons I respect him, because he didn't do it during the Politically Correct craze of the 90's He did some things when T.V. was black and white. I'm not a far liberal either, I'm somewhere in the middle on this issue. But Al Davis might be the only one who should NEVER have to answer for himself on Minority's and taking care of people he feels deserve it. He doesn't make it a circus event "hey look what i did" he just does it and wants to be left alone.

As for schools in Compton not being up to par I think I can give an opinion on this since I went to a crappy school and also went to a school in the burbs I had to take two buses to get to cause it was better. Beverly hills parents 'donate' money to their schools flat out, 90% buy year books, all of them bring 10 bucks a day for lunch (soda, candy, food). Books don't have ene, sur, and crip killa in them. Desks don't have crap carved in them with knives, kids don't get robbed if they have $20. Right now where I live in Bakersfield is a street away from a place called Oildale, all white people but looks no better than the neighborhoods you see off Brookvale, e14th or Brookfield. White bums walking around looking for crank or ice; and I just applied for a job with an elementary school there (computer job). The equipment was horrible, the hardware was the same as things I saw in Hayward 10 years ago. This isn't a black thing, or a white thing.. its a money thing.

[HOFBoundBrown]

It should't matter if your black or white, what matters is your a good football player or a good coach. It doesn't matter as long as you put up numbers.

[AW71]

I haven't pissed off anyone in a while, so here it goes...

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton need to understand that this isn't 1968-Birmingham anymore. I think there's plenty of diversity in sports, jobs, etc...As far as I can see, my platoon sergeant is black, the two other section sergeants in my platoon are black, the First Sergeant was black (he got selected for Sergeant Major), my current Sergeant Major and Battalion Commander are black....just an example....

I find it disturbing that Jackson and Sharpton want to bitch incessantly about 'inequality' in just about every phase of life. How can we destroy racism and descrimination when people like these two keep rubbing the public's nose in it?

One thing I found interesting. Recently, after Larry Bird expressed discontent over the lack of quality white atheletes in the NBA, ESPN ran a report on how there really isn't any true white talent in pro basketball. Over 78% of the league is black. COME ON JESSE AND SHARPTON...COME OUT AND SAY IT'S UNFAIR!!!

[Pietro]

Well, I might as well joint this fray.

Jessie Jackson is a fine human being and we need more of him. However, like Madden and Silver and Black and a few others have said, it would be better if he stuck to the bigger problems which is education.

Who want's to be poor and ignorant? Anyone? Exactly. If you have not been educated, you know nothing. Reading, writing, communication skills, recognizing right from wrong and how to conduct yourself are things you are taught.

Hispanics work hard. Yes they do. But, they make up a small percentage of our colleges.

Rather than go on and on, let me just say, to change things, you must have opportunity and the skills to take advantage of them.

Help people change themselves and their future.

That's what Jackson and Cosby are trying to do. And I agree with those efforts.